1st time question..s

Hi there. Most commercial bark I have used is about 5-6% alkaloids. To break an addiction, you want to shoot for about 18mg/kg of alkaloids, maybe more. One gram of bark equals about 50mg of alkaloids. For addiction interruption, at 60kg, you would want to have about (at least) a gram of alkaloids. If you are getting bark, you will most likely want to have about 30g on hand. CP

Thanks. That's about what pk told me in the chat (thanks to you too btw) but to have an answer in context with the formula feels a bit better for my mind. I don't have an addiction to break but I hope that Iboga will help me to get connected with my emotions again. To get a picture imagine Data (Startrek TNG), Sheldon (Big Bang) or Spock, except that the emotions are inside of me like a seperate being (speaking a language I don't understand). From all the information I have gathered, Iboga is one of the few things that might repair whatever damage created the split. The problem with the 30g is that the shop I mentioned, where I already bought some other stuff from and I trust, sells the bark for about +120 Euro for 10g. I couldn't afford 30g for this price, this month at least and I don't really want to spent this much cause I have other health related expenses (striving for perfection). I have looked at some of the sites seeling Iboga that are linked from the forum and they are a lot cheaper. So I might look into that ... but I would feel more comfortable if some people could share vendors they had good xp with. Another point was the apnea. I am usually a bit paranoid about this stuff so if anyone has any information about that, which can calm my mind on that one like "it only happens when you overdose it and take 500g" or something like that would be great

I've flooded with bark and I took no notice of mg/kg calculations. First of all, its extremely difficult to get more than 30g of wood down without just spitting it back up.. the most I ever got down was ~27 g at which point I stopped because I thought any more would surely induce a purge, wasting a lot of precious bark. Second of all, with very high quality bark, 27g was a  valuable experience, but I think a lot of people eating extracts go deeper. mg/kg calculations are a good point of reference, but they certainly gloss over a lot of important factors. For the problem you describe, I recommend you try small daily doses first. It's entirely possible eating less than a gram a day for a week will break down your emotional blockage. A strong cup of aya might do you some good too. What else have you tried (not necessarily substance related) to resolve your problem? I haven't heard of apnea problems, but that doesn't mean they haven't happened. Those prices for bark are a ripoff.

Hi peacefulcedar, Thirty grams of bark is a lot of bark and I doubt very much if you could hold it down.  Very few can hold down 15 grams and it has a strong body load.  Ya want to experience the Experience why not just do a gram of the HCL one gram wouldn't beat ya up too much and you Will feel it.  Then in 6 months or a year you can do 1.5 of the HCL.  The HCL  (pronounced hydrochloride) is about 98% pure and is Much easier on the system.  Even if you were to get 30 grams down and hold it you would not like it. Best,   cinderpath

Apnea has been related in some cases but it seems that it doesn't happen often, and poses little threat if one is being monitored -which should ALWAYS be the case no matter if it's DIY or otherwise. I have recently experienced a bit of it on HCL and it actually made me remember a time or two I had some slight apnea during a big bark flood - but these were brief instances and did not even put me off at all. Seemed to happen when I rolled over and/or changed positions, and then did not recur. Keep digging, asking good questions man, you'll get there  PS - DO NOT pay those prices for bark! Look at the vendors on this site.

Since I don't have a real gut feeling (it's very weak and I often don't understand it correctly - I have more of a "brain-feeling") I have to base my decisions on stuff like this mg/kg calculations. I am thinking of maybe trying one of the linked vendors - anyone here having some xp with the www.reset.nu / http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com site? And since purging is another one of my concerns, when I get Iboga from the net I could get the extract (which I hope is also legal in Austria). But from what I read the extract might not have the same detoxifying effect. Stuff I have tried. Puh. Where to start. The problems shifted a lot. From schizophrenia, complex PTSD, borderline to gastritis, crohn's disease ... It is hard to tell when the emotional dissociation started. About 8-10 years ago I stopped having feeling in my heart and the connection to my gut feelings ... might even have started before that but it went in dosages I think. Stuff I tried and that helped been systemic therapy for the schizophrenia, did that 10 years ago, change of diet (there is a deep connections between the colon and the brain) more than once, and a bit more than one year ago traditional Chinese medicine in combination with food supplements (didn't find an excact match for that word - vitamins and stuff like spirulina, herbs ...). I also started to do yoga some months ago which helped a lot getting rid of some emotional blockades like fears and I started to take woodrose seeds about 2 months ago. I stopped drinking alkohol, no coffein, no chemicals in my food, ... and I even stopped smoking about 4 months ago. This year was the best in my life, even my heart came back, but I "feel" (brain-feeling) that to get the connection back it has to be something big like one of those Iboga sessions I have read about in the experience reports on erowid or seen in the documentations about Iboga. In chakras I'd say that my bottom 3 chakras are cut of the top 3 because the heart chakra, while being able to produce feelings again, is still much too weak to connect them. --- Was writing when I got a call, now 3 hours later & tired and 2 more postings. Will answer tomorrow and just post this as it is.

I think Ayahuasca might be appropriate for these things - there are other visionary plants and medicines that don't carry the dangers of Iboga/ibogaine. Certainly for a drug detox the quickest way to go is pure ibogaine hcl - it's fast, efficient and in and out, with pretty short recovery time. Best wishes and don't give up man!

Hi peacefulcedar, Have you tried an iodine detox?  I tried one of these a few months ago, and i have never purged so much in my life. (Emotional stuff from dissociation). Ive only ever had small dosages of Ibogaine before, and have never tried Ayahuasca yet.  Im still (months later) processing whats came up. (So cant compare). I guess i wanted a safe way to confront this stuff, and a flood (atm) or Ayahuasca seems a bit to far. Just throwing it out there as another option. (I was taking roughly 100mg per day, inc around 40mg iodide).  The 200mcg RDA is dis-info! (To stop people cleansing their bodies and penial glands)

I have worked with folk diagnosed in the past with schizophrenia and many other things. I am glad you have ten grams. I would start with that, and I would take it over a couple months. Then do a flood when you feel it. The mg/kg I spoke of above is for addiction interruption. If you have no active chemical addictions, you certainly need less. You may want to aim for more like 10-13mg/kg for a flood. This is more like 600-800mg of alks, and for bark, like 12g-16g. I have flooded people with just bark. They reported that it was a fine experience. One had also used HCl in the past and reported the bark had a breadth and depth he did not get from the HCl. Yes, you will likely vomit. Apnea happens arrely, but it is a possibility. Only one of many good reasons to have an alert and attentive sitter. I understand the disconnect you are speaking of. As mentioned above, low dose may be very helpful for you initially. As may other therapies in conjunction. You don't know me, and I don't know you, so sit quiet with your gut/brain and even if faint, trust that above all this good love and advice. It is my own gut feeling for you that using your ten grams of bark over time, in preparation for a flood, would be most beneficial. Most who are diagnosed with things as 'severe' as schizophrenia have deep wounds, and high intelligence. The schizophrenia is an elegant though painful reaction to a world which cannot support the things you know, see and feel. It is a protective reaction and deeply ingrained. The low doses of bark will loosen one from these moorings, in a more gentle way. It would be a good introduction to the medicine and the states of mind it introduces. To flood without these low doses first may place you in a state where you will need strong support for a number of weeks or months afterward .If you have this support you are in a good place to flood first. If you do not, I urge you consider taking your time and low dosing prior to flooding. A low dose would be, as described above, something like a gram at a time. You could take this once a week until it is gone. You would know then more about what a flood will do for you. Veering away from doses and psychology, this medicine will speak to you once it is with you. A couple months of low dosing and your gut will speak more loudly. Take your time. There may be a very good reason you only have ten g and cannot afford more right now. I wish you all the best. CP

Hey CL did you fload already? did you post about it somewhere? would be interesting to read! And for peacefulcedar, i'v ordered 20g from ibogaworld and i believe ist a trusted place to order from (they also helped me with questions i had about it later on!) I weight 57kg and i used even less then 10g RB and it was a crazy thing, not sure i would have tried it knowing it would be like this , but if emotions you are looking for it maybe the right way, i guess i should give an update on my fload post, but few months later it still had an effect and i even had few days when each night all kind of bad emotions erupted, it is like i felt each of them 1000 times harder then normal, it was hard but really interestion experiance i must say, when you can for no doubt know where this emotion feels in your body! But a little warning, atleast from my fload. I couldn't really operate for more then 3 months(but i did few more brain related thingsin less then 3 weeks from my fload), had so many emmotions to procces i guess, so think about it, it is really something alse. Good luck.

10 grams of good woods will give a nice intro to the plant. not to worry, it will make its presence known! 30 grams of good woods will be a thorough head cracking. have assistance on hand either way. wood is good. bless.

Thanks for all those answers I have ordered 250mg TPA-HCl 95% Ibogaine and 25g finely powdered root bark yesterday from reset.nu. From what I've read in this thread I think I want to go for the big flood first and maybe continue with the low dosing afterwards if it feels necassary. Yesterday I also realised that, since my heart "came back" some weeks ago (1-2 months) I did have feelings, but "only" in my heart. The way I had structered my inside I didn't consider those as feelings. But yesterday I felt sadness in my heart very strongly, and I also sensed that I feel it that way at the moment because my heart is neither fully connected with my mind nor my gut, and the vent between gut and heart is to small atm to let more through. So if I keep up like this with yoga, detoxifying, herbs, eating healthy and stuff they will come back anyway. But I need (well ... want) them to be working before the end of october so I can't wait for that. I have written a bit confusing about my schizophrenia. That happened about 10 years ago and was no longer a problem since. After that calling it a complex postraumatic stress disorder would've been more accurate, and probably still is, what else should keep those feelings cut of if not trauma, but it has been months since the last panic or similar bad feelings like depression (those stuff I could feel all those years :p ). And even though some of the feelings I had in my heart could be considered bad like sadness, or (timely delayed) break up pain those felt "good" in comparison to feeling nothing at all I am not afraid that I might go crazy, I already been there and know how to handle that, and support is there if needed (thx@CP), but I am more concerned about my body. So I am very interested in the apnea thing, what is causing it and what can be done when it happens. Like is there some kind of asthma spray or something that can counter it? @steadygrove42 I tried to google the iodine detox thing but only got confusing results. Could you post me a link to an explanation what this is about pls?

peacefulcedar - This is the place i found out about Iodine.  http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815 Loads of people on there doing a detox on iodine have had a similar experience. As they have detox'ed they have purged alot of emotional stuff that was repressed by years of drinking fluoride in water. I know from my own experience it worked for me. E-Man - Ive only done 300mg dose's of Ibogaine so far. (Thats how it came in capsules pre-measured) Its been more than enough for me so far. They have been pretty intense experience's for me, aided by crap-loads of repressed trauma. Im glad i didnt do a full flood right from the off, put it that way. I see you have done your flood E-MAN, did you post it? Id be intrested in hearing about it. (If ok).

Thanks for the link crazylife but the information is a bit too overhelming. There are so many postings that I wouldn't know where to start. Could you point me to a smaller dosage of information like a text that explains the process? And rosyowl thanks for the warning about the 3 months without being able to operate. That's no problem in my case since I am living from social welfare because of the crohn's disease and the ptsd. While I am feeling much better now both are still there a bit - and it was so bad that I now only need to see a doctor once a year for continuous welfare, and atm I'm good t'ill next summer (hopefully I wont have to extend it again).

CL - Yea i'v posted a post on my fload along time ago, but i guess i should post an update. what do you get from those 300 mg takes? does it put you in any sort of a trip? Kuraodo - after taking it i felt like i have all the mental disorder there is, i actualy matched them all, it is like i can understand other people much better because i'v seen different kind of reality from the enxiaty waves, i don't believe schizophrenia is something you have for good, it is just a state of mind, something that can change. BTW, i personaly can't recomend Iboga for anyone (sorry forum), it is just too intence to take responsibility for, but if all alse faild, then...

Hey E-man, On my small 300mg doses (done a few now), ive been amazed about how much integrating ive done afterwards, and new awareness's ive had. It was like 10000 hours of therapy at £50 an hour. I had visuals, and went into a 'relaxed' state for a few hours where i didnt want to move, despite telling myself (each time afterwards) that it wouldnt have that hold over me next time. (I have a problem with letting go of control) Even at this low dosage i can say that Iboga is magical. I cant wait for a flood dosage, when im ready. I wouldnt use bark tho, well, not for the first experience anyways.

peacefulcedar, have you watched "Feed your brain" documantry?

It sounds interesting niceboat, but I couldn't find any docu of that name, only some books. Would be great if you could support me with a link.

Here it is http://softarchive.net/blogs/tvshowkod/feed_your_head.581203.html you can download it there too

peacefulcedar  - I did look for the specific threads, but couldnt find them. (Its pretty active, so they get pushed right down). Id say its best (if your intrested) to register and post a question. People are pretty helpful on there. CL.

Yeah thanks deepwren, this one is perfect. I have already read about this a bit but I (usually) always welcome more information on subjects like this. Elaine Gottschall wrote about that in her book about The Specific Carbohydrate Diet - I haven't read it yet but they left that chapter out in the german translation so it was posted fully on a website about this diet. In my case the schizophrenia was cured by systemic therapy and .. other stuff. But after that my crohn got a bigger problem and I still had mental problems. They been overshadowed mostly by the physical pain. (It was hell for years and I was near death a couple of times - but from what I've read in this forum it was a relativly small hell compared to what people went through who been or are addicted to heroin and suchlike.) @CL Thanks - Since I am very interested in all kinds of detox I will give the forum a try in the next days.