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Hrm, that mail forwarding service costs about as much as a plane ticket and a day in a hotel... It sure is more convenient though. Has anyone had success with this?
whatever happened to china? are the states that much under lock down already?
Mail Network has never failed me in the past.
Mail network seems very expensive. Can anyone recommend a reliable, lower cost mail forwarding service?
If the idea of mail forwarding is to conceal the identity of the buyer, that is doomed to failure, imo. Just order under your own name and you can always say you didn't order it if push comes to shove. Even credit cards can be hacked so that is not definitive proof although if you can send a money order that would be better. But if you pay for a forwarding service that is additional paperwork tying you to the purchase. I see no benefit in doing that. The trouble is most places wont take money orders, from what i hear. That should be easy to do but i suppose there are too many counterfeits around or something. With cc companies canceling the accounts of vendors selling gray area products, they may rethink that policy. Or even cash in the mail. It gets through about 98% of the time but is a little risky. It is totally unprovable that you sent it but the same can be said for a money order. You just act dumb and say someone must have ordered it for you as a joke or something. When the shipment comes, you just take it or sign for it if you must. The po or fedex never asks if you know what's in the package so if they do, just say you don't recall or maybe it's a gift. On very very rare occasions they will set someone up and try to get them to say they ordered it and then bust in after they open the package or come to the door asking if they got anything suspicious. They only do that with actual narcotics from what i hear but acting dumb and not opening it for an hour or so after getting it is a good precaution. You could even mark the unopened package "return to sender" as proof you didn't order it. Wait till the next day to open and it's cool as ice.
As I understand it.. Any mail sent first class requires a warrant to be opened or searched. So I'm not sure all the work of using mail forwarding services or a hotel would really be necessary for domestic shipments. And anything international is going to have to clear customs anyway, and after that I don't think there would be much more to be worried about. These are probably pretty common questions people have when finding out about Iboga, and looking into acquiring some. However guys, let's not forget that Ibogaine is a schedule I narcotic in the United States (unfortunately), and while I want to see it reach and help as many people as possible, the purpose of this site is not to help people find ways to break the law. When referencing how to get Ibogaine in the United States, we at Iboga cannot help people find ways to get around the laws. There are plenty of centers in Canada and Mexico, and several providers throughout the US - we can put people in touch with those, and help them explore their options. Anything much more than that is better left to personal correspondence. I don't think any clear rules have been broken yet, and understand that things like this do need to be discussed on some level, but I just wanted to remind everyone to keep in mind our policies when discussing things of this nature. Cal and I are in the process of drawing up a "mission statement" of sorts, to help clarify some of these fuzzy issues. But until then, the best reference we have now is our sourcing policy, which is a stickied in the General Discussion board, and can be found here: https://ibogaine.club/community/in-regards-to-sourcing <3
No one is suggesting anyone should break any laws. However, ibogaine is not a narcotic, not really though it is scheduled. I'm just talking about how to deal with the system as it is. When finding gray area materials, they will normally just confiscate it if they have any question about it. My point was that going through a remailer was unnecessary and added no protection. The remailers will give you up quicker than a bank or isp. The cops just have to mention the "patriot act". The name of that law reminds me of the saying 'patriotism the last refuge of a scoundrel' On rare occasions they want to find out who really ordered some questionable stuff. They may send it on and do an investigation. That is very rare, they normally just toss it in the bin and case closed. If questioned simply say you don't know what it is and don't recall ordering anything from that place or that country. Nothing illegal in that. I'm just exploring our options in case someone sent us something wrong that we did not order and did not want. You shouldn't make a mistake and say you ordered it when you didn't because someone might have sent it as a mistake or a joke. It happens. Not opening it and marking it return to sender strengthens your story, i mean explanation.
You're right Stoney, I misspoke.. I meant "Schedule I substance" .. Sometimes when referring to the schedule of a substance I use the word narcotic universally, but yeah, you get what I meant. Though I must say, Iboga is not a "gray area" material, not in the US anyway. But you're right, this is a good discussion to have, depending on what it is in reference too.. I myself order several gray area plants, usually Ayahuasca admixtures. As far as the "I don't know anything about that argument". That could always work, and in an actual legal case could possibly be your best defense. But how you order the materials will play a large role.. For example, if it was purchased with your credit card, and the IP address can be linked to your computer.. Then there isn't really much you can do.
"if it was purchased with your credit card, and the IP address can be linked to your computer.. Then there isn't really much you can do." Good point, particularly about the cc. But would an offshore pharmacy or shamanic supplier give up your info? They certainly will not make a trip to this country to testify against anyone. A statement by email about the ip means little by itself without testimony under oath. The fact your cc was used is strong evidence but not airtight. Cards can be hacked and many people have gotten false charges on their bill. But why would someone do that and send it to you? It looks bad but i believe they would need some more info to incriminate the person. They don't want to take it to court and lose half the cases because the lawyer spoke of people playing pranks and hacking card numbers. That's why they try to get the person to admit they ordered it and knew what was in the package. If they can't get that they will settle for the fact the person opened the package and when a postal inspector or dea came to the door and asked about it, the person denied having gotten anything suspicious. An innocent person would not do that, they would say yes i got a strange package i didn't order and would give it to the inspector. So if you are innocent that's what you need to do. Not opening it and marking return to sender adds to that. Opening it and consuming some, then lying about it, well might as well fess up. Play the role of the innocent person and they might even believe it or at least figure they don't have much on you. What if someone decided to set you up by sending some not gray but black area material to get you arrested? They have to eliminate that possibility which is why they play games to get the person to admit it or lie about it. Either one looks bad. Probably 99% of the time they don't bother. But they might put your address on a watch list for future deliveries. Pay by money order and you are in the clear unless you fess up.
What do you think about having someone in Canada buy it for me, and have it shipped to him in Canada, but pay for it with a check from the United States? Or, pay for it while I myself am in Canada? Either way, it would be taken, ingested, in Canada. Would this be legal (according to U.S. law)? Also, it seems that the United States government does not care if its citizens take an illegal substance in a foreign country if it is legal in that foreign country (for example, ibogaine). Is that true? Thank you, kelsey35
Hi kelsey35, We are not lawyers but it does not sound illegal to me but I am not into law in any way. Why not call a mailbox etc near you in Canada and tell them that you want to order a botanical product from where ever and I would like it mailed to you as I understand you do this for $5 and check to see if they still do that. Be honest for they may ask for id and don't act like your doing a drug deal. Then go to Canada pay the $5 and give them a $2 tip and thank them for you may be back. Then you go and do your detox as planed. If you feel like bringing it back well... guess that's up to you. Best, cinderpath
From what I understand the government can't say shite about what you do in a country where the drug is legal...for now anyways. I don't think it matters if its an American originated check, as long as it doesn't bounce. :)e.
Actually, the govt claims the right to order it's citizens around no matter what part of the world they may be in. I say f*k the govt and do whatever you can get away with long as it hurts no one. That use to be the law before weasels took over. Instead of expensive plans involving trips to another country etc, just order the stuff, pay by money order if possible and deny it if questioned. The most you can lose is the cost of the order. Traveling and carrying something with you sets you up for major problems if detected. Doing it my way means at worst they grab it and most of the time it will get through. Off shore pharmacies will ship lots of stuff and they are so confident of it getting through that many will resend free of charge if it does not arrive. I don't know of one that will ship iboga that way but there may be some. The point being that small shipments get through the vast majority of the time. Or, have some house plants growing in the shade in your back yard and some day someone might harvest rootbark from them. If questioned which is almost impossible if you keep your mouth shut, simply say you got them at a garage sale a year or two back. "sorry, can't remember where it was i got them" I have seedlings of interesting plants for trade. USA only.
I found it was very easy to obtain and did not require any mail forwarding or travel.
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Indeed, iboga is quite easy to obtain, and extremely cheap if you know the right people and how to microdose it.