Feeling alone and in need of support! Planning flood # 4 within a week or two.

I dont know for sure,but have heard Kratom extracts can be tricky with Iboga. It acts as as stimulant as well as having some opioid activity. I havent heard much about doing Iboga to get off Kratom. Are there potential complications to watch out for like with other stimulants ? Adderal,Meth ect...

maybe give sceletium tortuosum a try instead of an ssri; i'm about to start taking it so can't really comment until i actually get the herbs in my system, but apparently it can work wonders for anxiety and depression in some cases. Believe me ssri's can be nasty and i am not sure about the contraindications with iboga; certainly you can't go anywhere near ayahuasca for at least 6 weeks after discontinuing , and this can be a complete nightmare. I was on 225mg venlaflaxine or effexor as its also called; the withdrawal was absolute hell . For weeks i felt like i was in some weird dream , chronic stomach cramps, 'brain zaps' and just generally wanting to kill myself . Not fun at all! having said this if sceletium doesn't take , theres no reason why an ssri - not effexor!- at a low dose couldn't work wonders. They can and do change peoples lives for the better , but if you can keep things 'natural' i think thats just a safer path to take. Sceletium doesn't seem to have many if any adverse side effects - apparently- and pregnant women can take it, so if that does it for you , i'd go for that. Also st. johns wort is a natural ssri . Hope this helps and good luck

Any word Tiger? I am anxious to hear from you - and I wish we would have had the oppurtunity to connect before you flooded, I should have liked to know more about these other floods (between your first and most recent) - some specifics that I have not found in your other posts. They might be there but I often only have time for quick perusals of posts, then if we are all lucky, I will be able to respond with an over-worded and too lengthy reply  I am praying for you and holding vibes for you and your journey - I am hoping that perhaps something may have happened to postpone your endeavor  and that we can hammer out a few more solid ideas. One thing I always balk at is being in a hurry to flood: I know this as good or better than anyone because I have done it myself so many times. I have five floods under my own belt 2 on wood two on TA and one on ibogaine and I KNOW how taxing it is....sometimes, when we flood this many times, especially in rapid succession, it can somewhat 'take away' if you will, a bit of the power and genius of the medicine. To me, flooding this often means we need to look very closely at something we are missing, we cannot see the forest for the trees, when we get 'I NEED to flood' in our heads we become blinded to other areas we dearly need to explore...  things like cognitive behavioral 'therapy' other non drug/chemical related solutions to our issues. I totally dig that ibo is desired for the acute phase, to punch the lights out of that monkey on our backs so we can have his punk ass in front of us and trounce him fair and square....but consider this: WE need to do the trouncing, iboga is only in our corner, it is our trainer, ally, mentor, friend and backup, it'll make sure we do not get jumped or ganged up on - it makes this whole bloody affair into a fair fight, so that we CAN stand a chance against what were always overwhelmingly obscene odds. This is why willpower has NOTHING to do with why addicts are addicted. People who never experience physical chemical dependency sometimes have real difficulty understanding this, but it is no cop-out, it is proven time and again both with empirical data and tons upon tons of subjective anecdotal evidence.  I do not think it is prudent or even necessarily 'good for you' to do a full flood more than twice in one year - yet I fully comprehend the desire to be rid of these addictions and the vicissitudes they rain upon us and our lives, but sometimes, though it be the greatest of the Great - iboga is not the answer - at least not now; it has to do with timing and preparation...alas, this may have come too late as you planned to be on the other side by now. Oh well, you have my blessings and warm regards and please connect with the group when you can. I hope things go well for you friend. Peace, Cal

Hi Tiger, It seems like you traded your opiate addiction for a Kartom extract addiction.  I have never taken it but have read several others having trouble with the extract.  Now, Kartom goes to the mu and K receptor and Ibo deals mainly with the mu or opioid receptor.  If your looking for something like SAO maybe give pods a try. Best,   cinderpath

Didn't mean to freak you out with my response about kratom extracts/Iboga. I read that you came out the other side of you flood and are doing ok. This is good to know.  Just to clarify, my concern was surrounding the fact that Kratom isnt a straight ahead opiate,but an agaonist+antagonist with stimulant properties as well. I dont know a whole lot about it with Iboga and havent heard much from others either... Would like to find out more. Anyway,your more recent post confirms that you are most importantly, alive and well. Sounds like you had a positive experience

I wish I had known this before, that Blue Tiger lived so close to me, I could have offered some assistance, I had the pleasure of meeting him today and I can say he seems to be doing Amazing!  I really think some of the things he is doing with body work and acupuncture will help out tremendously. Great guy and now we each have a new friend who knows what it is like to go through this process! I think it is a good thing to have support like this.

This community activity, meeting lala, I no longer feel alone.

What does Kratom feel like?

It feels like all other slowly but surely opiate numbing the fuck out of life drugs.  Kratom extracts, even worse.    STAY AWAY.....you have been warned.  One Love,  B      Now noopept, day 1 is producing the same results of confidence, focus, and steady energy that Kratom relief provided when I was going through PAWS.  Interesting how a nootropic had a similar effect on me after being clean of opiates, cigarettes, and alcohol for over a month.  After learning more about our natural chemistry and the roles each system play, like how opiates are linked to how we develop relationships, etc, I am so far past Kratom it's ridiculous! If homeostasis and happiness is the goal, then accessing my true potency through a healthy lifestyle, nootropics, entheogens, the love and knowledge that is all around, these are the answers.  Bingggggg   Bump     Dinggggggg     Laaaaaa!