HOLY FIRE 2

Excellent notes Cal!  Really appreciate the time you took to express this!  I wish your brother well in his recovery!

Thanks for reposting, friend Cal.

My pleasure... I would like to see more experiences in this forum! I have a few more forthcoming, hell even second-hand ones are welcome!

I think I remember bro is a big guy. What would you say his mg/kg was for this journey? And, is this TA by the extraction method you have posted here and elsewhere? Thankee-sai Tia PS- Jail sux

Hey sistah- it's hard to say 'for sure' when you're dealing with a plant extract that's been concocted via such crude methodology - even plant materials from the same source, and same batch can vary considerably, not always of course but it can happen. But since we did use the same bark and same vendor etc....it's a fairly safe assumption that this was consistent- that, and we each used used it and such similar effects for the amount we respectively took. brother is 100kg (roughly) we used a protocol based on the assumption of the purported potency of the bark-which was advertised as between 4-6%. We decided on a mean of 5% for ease of dosing calculations, and the margin for error looked small enough to keep the whole affair safe...So by this thinking, bro was on roughly a 15mg/kg dosing schedule. Interestingly this is well under what the clinics use with hcl (20-25 mg/kg) but since it was so 'raw' and had ALL the alkaloid spectrum contained therein, we believe that the efficacy of this TA is at least as good as the hcl - that, and the experience itself was just substantially better in quality. Try this on: 30g of root bark at 5% alk content is 1.5g of pure alks, and only half of that is ibogaine...the rest is ibogamine, ibogaline, and others which are, in themselves, 'stronger' than isolated ibogaine...they are metabolites of ibogaine, much as psilocin is a metabolite of psilocybin in mushrooms. Some shrooms contain higher levels of psilocin vs psilocybin, and they are generally considered more potent. Back to the numbers - 1.5g of total alkaloids were present in whatever amount of extract brother took (when determining the proper dose of a crude extract it's prudent to do the 'math' based on the amt of rootbark one begins with versus the amount of extract one comes out with...its much more accurate) so at 15 mg/kg and he being 100kg, we were right on the money...and it works this way. more could almost certainly be taken, but this is what we used, and there was material left for boosts...hope this clarified some things..this is the 'sticky' part for many, the dosing. many questions arise: but keep it simple. If one is going to do this on their own, use the root bark weight/% of alks as the rule for measuring dose. You cannot squeeze more alklaloids from the bark than it contains, even if you concentrate the extract, you're still not going to exceed 1.5g of alks per 30g of bark, dig. This is the best way to know what you're taking...peace!!

Nice summary Cal.  I tend to forget about the other Ibogaine "like" alkaloids that are also present in the root.  I assume there hasn't been much study done on ibogamine and ibogaline. I just noticed your signature, very cool man, the "mirror" analogy.  I'm currently reading Mushroom Wisdom by Martin W. Ball, and it also speaks about the same truth. Thanks

Thank you fallout! I seem to remember reading a bit about ibogamine - this is what ibogaine is metabolized into in the liver ostensibly, and pound for pound it's supposedly stronger than ibogaine. I can't find the link I was gonna drop you...I'll dig it up, you've got my gears turning man. Maybe we can start a thread about TA 'vs' ibogaine? Citing the pros/cons for each... Yeah, my signature I took from the lyrics of Pink Floyd's "Echoes pt.1" - if you haven't seen it, check out their "Live in Pompeii" circa 1971. It's incredible-best music I have ever heard, beautiful video too! Thanks for the reply man!

Good stuff Nobu!

Here are most of the alkaloids found in Tabernanthe iboga: · ibogaine, · ibogamine · voacangine · voacristine · bosygaine · ibogaline · ibofyelidine · · iboxyfilline · tabernatine · ibolutein · gabunin · kisantin · kimvulin · desmethosyibolutein · ibogainhydroyindolenin · ibogamin · hydrosyindolenin · iboquin Four major alkaloids present' Ibogaine' Ibogamine' Ibogaline Tabernathine' The above is an assay of a single sample' Also some strains contain' Coranaradine plus a bunch of other alks' But we get the idea' I shall update as of when I find it' Bliss! Nobu +

Nice list, thanks for that info.!

BTW, just a couple numbers to throw out.  Doing the simple freebase extraction in the first part of my tek, from 68g of rootbark of good quality.  With the same bark used by Calaquendi and several others, I yielded 5.8 g freebase.  So each gram of extract is about 11.7 g of bark.   In each gram, if figuring only 50% purity, that would be .5 grams of total alkaloids, of which 50-70% is actual ibogaine.  These are all rough estimates and my extract could be much more pure, however taking the lower end estimates, this would mean that per gram of extract, it would contain .25 g+ of pure ibogaine.  That would mean for a dose of 1 gram of pure ibogaine it would take 4g of extract, however, the other 30-50% of the alkaloids in the extract also act in a synergistic manner with the ibogaine, so taking a full 20 mg/kg dose of pure ibogaine, might not be the best idea with a total alkaloid extract.   My guess would be somewhere around 2-3 grams of the freebase extract would give around 1/2 to 3/4 gram+ of ibogaine, and another 1/2 to 3/4 grams of other iboga alkaloids, which may be a perfect extract dose for a 60-70kg person.

I like TA extract the best so far. I love my relation to its manufacture also . I believe in magic. Once I found out my dose in root bark i made my extract. everything worked out just fine. its seems that those that have done this with 25-30 grams of root bark end up with the roughly the same numbers in TA extract. would this not mean there is a certain consistancy in the alkloid content (range) of these materials(root barks) ? i believe it is important also to keep this whole process as close to the its form from which it was obtained . The bwitti have all the alkloids present when the ceremonies are performed. The isolation of a single alkoid seem to thumb its nose at this in some way to me. its not the way its supposed to occur. The whole band is supposed to be playing this tune to you - not one soloist ! I feel if you play it any other way you get the radio edit of that song .   - not the version of that song the way the band (god) recorded it for you to hear . Long Live The TA Extract ! mahalos harvey plex

Hey brightwillow - Do you mean 1mg of xanax or really .1mg??  I've never even heard of such a small dose of xanax.  i think there might be .25mg ones at smallest...I could be wrong.  For I was thinking about taking some of my medicine (xanax) in a very small amount too during my experience but .1mg??

Well I def don't FEAR my experience...that would not be the reason to take possible small amounts of xanax...It's just that I'm prescribed so much, that even with and after Iboga, suddenly stopping an addictive benzo has not been noted to a use of Iboga, and so suddenly stopping, I could go into a siezures (sorry for misspelling), or even worse.   But THAT'D be my only fear,  I'd love to jump into a big old pile of iboga with no fear whatsoever... I'm really.  But thanks for the input Nobu

yeah torrie_learns I meant 1mg - good catch there...and it's not all about 'fear' per-se , its about being relaxed enough to get into the deepest parts of it. I agree Nobu, that iboga is about awakening but for some, they will not be able to get as deep in to their experience without some help with the anxieties and small amounts of benzos are useful here.