Ibo in Mexico

Eon, Did you know this forum has mailboxes? If you are going to your friend's in MX anyway, I'd suggest getting a reputable supplier to just mail product there. Perfectly legal and hassle free. Be sure to get more than you need. You may throw up some and need more to reach the effective dose. If you don't, you'll still have some left over for boosters, if you wish. Feel free to email me if I can help in any way. Tia

I was thinking of doing the same thing McKnight....since I'm here on the boarder of Juarez/El Paso, unfortunately, Juarez MX is not the most safest place right now...not sure when it will be again! Thanks for the input Bev!  Out of town right now....will be back soon!

Dear brightwillow and Forum Members, I am composing this note off-line so that I will not be influenced, distracted or discouraged by anything else until I have said what I need to say. I have come to regret the tone of the original post in this topic.  Instead of humbly making a sincere request for information to assist me, I was 'cracking-wise' while making a sincere request for information to assist me.  My regrets are based upon the following: ((1))  Iboga is regarded by some as their sacrament.  Though I surely cannot now regard Iboga as one of my personal sacraments, never having partaken, I do indeed regard it as sacramental.  Ibogaine, whether extracted from Iboga or synthesized, is to me also sacramental. ((2))  Real humor, given to promote closeness and joy, needs to based upon respect and consideration, i.e. compassion. ((3))  Real humor is an intimate, playful and friendly thing.  Enemies joke at each other.  Friends joke with each other.  While being an excellent means of sharing information, the Internet does not readily communicate the 'fuzzy' things such as friendship, affection and emotions.  It is likely that someone coming upon my post would not see it as friendly. ((4))  To the credit of you all, the friendship I have felt while participating in this forum opened the door for me to display the wacky, out-of-bounds side of my inner nature.  What I failed to consider was anyone else out there seeing my post, shaking their head and thinking "That guy is seriously screwed up, I'm going to a site where I can find some sanity and good information."  Not what you want, I presume. ((5))  I may have done more harm to my 'cause' than benefit. In short, I failed to show both the Sacrament and my new 'Forum Friends' respect and consideration. To explain, but not to justify, my outburst I submit the following:  At this particular point in my life I believe that Iboga would be the perfect medicine, but I feel lost and confused, at times, about how to proceed.  I realized that my buddy with the house in Mexico would welcome me and respect my intentions.  I would not be doing anything illegal, not that that is particularly important at this point in my existence.  But, and this is important, I would not have to ask anyone to do anything illegal on my behalf.  Plus, I thought the plan had a chance of success. It was definitely an eureka moment.  Fortunately, I was not taking a bath at the time (and the weather was somewhat inclement) or I might have been arrested while running naked through the streets yellin' and hollerin' like a maniac.  Instead, I sat down at my computer and started yellin' and hollerin' over the Internet, like a maniac. I humbly present the following actions for your comments and/or approval: ((A))  Do nothing.  Let it be and let things follow their course. ((B))  Obliterate the entire thing and pretend it never happened (off to the bit-bucket, you rascal).  This would provide the benefit of instant relief for me.        (While not providing a cure, denial does have potent short-term anesthetic properties.) ((C))  Allow me to edit out everything in the original post that I find inappropriate and then pretend it never happened. ((D))  Add this note as a preamble and 'disclaimer' to the original post so that anyone seeing it won't be quite so offended or turned-off by what follows. ((E))  Follow your more informed advice.  Please remember I'm pretty much a noob here, a stranger in a strange land, and I do not yet know what is possible or customary. Cal and Forum Members, I now leave this for your consideration.  This pretty much all I wanted to say here, except to wish you all the same things I wish for myself: Peace, Love and a Little Self-Control, Su Amigo, Eon McKnight

Hey guenevere_walks, I really didn't see a problem with your original post.  I can understand the desire to overcome the issues your dealing with.  The tone in which you posted didn't seem offensive, so I don't think an apology would be needed.  Your not the only one in the same boat in regards to wanting to go though a Iboga/Ibogaine treatment/experience.  Doing it the "proper" way is a bit expensive, so finding alternate, "safe" option is understandable....I have thought of the same.  Currently I have my family and a free SNRI's pharmacutical(Pristiq) to assist in stability at this time.  I'm not very enthusiastic about relying on the SNRI's at this time, but the positives seem to out weight any negatives for the moment.  Sometimes you have to do what is necessary to get by.  Wish you peace man!  I did fall into a alcohol binge about 2 weeks ago, so I know my personal issues are still alive and well, so the desire to have more control over this burden is more precedent in my mind now.

Thanks for your kind reply, fallout.  Guess that you're for option ((A)).  Unfortunately, not everyone out there shares your understanding nature (referring to those not on the Forum  -- only peace, love and understanding here). I have tried SSRIs and SNRIs other than Pristiq.  They all made my head feel like it was going to explode  --  a sensation of constant pressure.  And it is a concern of mine (NOT!) that Big Pharma would suffer financially should a substance be found that cures 'psychological' problems with a single dose.  The only thing that would be worse (NOT! NOT!!) is if it were a natural substance that could not be patented... Yeah, I've heard @ Juarez.  How far is that from Guaymas? Peace, Love & More Peace, More Love! McKnight "Find myself some time to find my way outta here"  --  Gomez

Hey guenevere_walks, Yeah, I'd rather be free of any psychotropic Pharmaceuticals, but at the moment, especially to have peace with my wife I decided to go along with the medication.  It has been fairly helpful with minimal side effects. Guaymas, is a good distance from Juarez, MX.  I'm here near the state of Chihuauha, MX and Guaymas is in the state of Sonora.....looks like at least 500 miles or more.  Guaymas sounds like a pleasant town....certainly compared to Juarez, MX. Peace

Option 'A', with a big dose of 'relax, we understand'. Everyone is a bit odd in their own way, and I see nothing you've posted here that needs editing, nothing at all. Heya fallout! Nice to be slowly getting to know you in three online arenas! Eon, I was possessed by the idea of Ibo long before I had it in my hand, I knew it would change me profoundly, I knew it was what I needed to experience. There was not a day that went by that I was not talking about it, reading about it, or trying to gather the dollars to do it. I really do understand. No faux pas on your part has been committed! Your sincerity is to your credit! peace and jovial Black Santa Clauses

You're all good McKnight, once again I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Tia...I don't even have to post, just point to her stuff!  Your sense of humor resonates with me - I think we're all more alike than not... Peas.

As long as people understand (as I know you do, fallout & Cal) that I was expressing frustration with current laws, frustration with current views, that I need to travel 1000s of miles to receive medicine as the underlying reason for my not-really-but-might-be-misinterpreted-as-disrespectful outburst, I'll be totally relaxed (thanks, Tia). You guys is too good to silly ol' me. I love it! Don't stop ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! peas & carrots, McKnight

I think it would be dangerously impulsive to attempt scoring iboga without an experienced provider on hand in the event things went sideways. This is a far cry from a recreational experience, it is an untypical psychedelic, that folks rarely find enjoyable and it is by no means a magic bullet. If you happen to be currently in a state of opiate dependency you can anticipate feeling utterly thrashed post ibogaine for at least 3 weeks. Without a support system in place and returning to your same environment and "friends" I would say you'd hardly stand a chance of remaining clean. Out of curiosity what would you folks consider a fair price for an ibogaine treatment?

Good post zz! Thank you... You are absolutely right on all points - I have done iboga for opiate addiction and "thrashed" is the best adjective I've heard yet describing how I felt post-session. Good word. Rarely does an addict (IMO) look past the acute phase of withdrawal, this being the 'built-up' be all end all of their situation. I mean, for me it was the anxiety and agony of actually 'kicking' that kept me in the maze for so many years - but to my surprise iboga practically eliminated any protracted withdrawal symptoms. Let me clarify: Indeed I felt physically "thrashed" as you so eloquently put it, but my emotions and my mindset were surprisingly buoyant - and it was this aspect of the session that I finally realized held the gold for me...The severe depression and mourning that are so common once a person is on the other side of acute w/d was simply not there. I was very emotionally sensitive, but so stoked that I survived in the first place, and that I would never ever have to go through w/d again that I was just...well, happy for the first time in many many years. Your advice to have an experienced provider present is invaluable. This medicine is unlike traditional psychedelics and having a 'sitter' who's untrained, at least in basic rescue would be ill-advised. The medical concerns of an iboga treatment, regardless of what the session is for, cannot be understated. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"...indeed. I still think iboga is far safer than some would have us believe, reading as many reports as I can get my hands on, cross referencing them and talking with experienced providers has led me to draw some of my own conclusions concerning iboga related deaths. There seems to be some common denominators that are glanced over by those who oppose this work: pre-existing health concerns, particularly cardiac, and more often, inadvertent overdoses post-session by under educated people who, probably, rushed in to the treatment thinking that it was a 'magic bullet'. It is indeed sad and my heart aches for those people, but I truly believe with the appropriate pre screening and after care that we can absolutely mitigate tragic instances like those, and bring a clearer picture of the safety and efficacy of this work to folks who need it. Needless to say, the legal status is preposterous. A schedule one drug by definition has "no medical value, and a high propensity for abuse"...sound like iboga to you?? I won't even start... zz, you pose an interesting and fair question my man - one that I'm surprised I haven't heard before. As for cost of a session, it's really hard to say for several reasons: first, how do you put a price on such freedom and healing? Next, I would that there were providers with the resources to help those out who cannot afford 'commercial' treatment - my friend and my brother both paid $5000 several years ago...I know another person on another forum who spent less and got their session done in Holland. But it was still close to three grand I think. The medicine itself is costly, which blows my mind, I mean, with the rising popularity and interest we see here, you'd think that someone somewhere would be investing in cultivation. That would be ideal. I think that it takes so much plant material to extract the Hcl that it's almost wasteful...Two of my closest peeps have done both the ibogaine hcl and the TA extract and each of them much preferred the TA. This came as no surprise. It really is difficult to put a price tag on treatment, but unfortunately even though money is totally fake, we need to consider it. If there were somehow a 'sliding scale' for those who can come up with a portion of costs, and have the rest covered by say, philanthropic interests that would be great...for the sake of discussion here I will toss out a figure in my head : I'd like to see a good treatment run no more than $2000 - that would (somehow) include everything. Medicine, sitters, immediate post session counseling etc...I'm open for dialogue this is an important topic. Thanks for sharing!

That sounds about what a reasonable price would be for treatment Cal....$2000-$3000

I think this is also a great q, zz. Yeah, what Cal said. More later, but thanks for bringing up this much-pussyfooted-around topic. Unfit for human consumption today, Tia

Yeah i know what you mean about "much-pussyfooted-around", Tia.  I noticed it's almost taboo to bring that up in the MindVox Ibogaine forum, that's why I never posted a question about this.  I thought the best deal was with a provider who was going to charge me $2000 flat.  Never went though unfortunately.

Okay, medicine alone is expensive. If you can buy 'in bulk' it's better, but not many can afford that, so medicine, it can cost between $700US and $1000US or so for one person. Potentially more for boosters, which are a good idea, IMHO. There are adjunct meds to have handy, like a benzo, melatonin, triptophan, SAMe and others, there's more dollars. The care, if a sitter just for the first 48 hours, that's still 48 hours of constant attention by one or two people. If there were an hourly wage attached, wow. let's just say your caregivers are only worth $5/hr. For two of them for just 48 hours, $500 right there. Any longer, even more. A week of constant care? How much? These cheap caregivers will be potentially mopping your vomit, monitoring your medical condition, listening, staying awake most of the night, holding your hand, cooking meals, just being focused on You very strongly. That's a heavy job. What about the special things you'll want to have around, electrolyte water, straws, vitamins, fruits, special juices, etc? How about gas money to and from where ever you are, if not driving yourself? Also, who just shows up at the door of a provider, then leaves, never to be heard from again? There is pre session work and post session work. Not that it can't be a beautiful labor of love, but it remains labor. Not cheap, no way. I think $2000 is a very fair, actually inexpensive price for a week of care plus all expenses. If in a medical clinic, the price just goes up. You won't find a doctor to work for $5 per hour. My two dollars and 56 cents. I was trying to get to Dream House, myself. If I remember correctly, their two week fee was about $5,500, maybe a couple hundred less. I think that's the least expensive I've heard. I'd still like to go there someday.

Tia Tia Tia!    "Mopping up your vomit"   No pussyfooting here... $2000 might be the 'standard cost' once it is legalized and perscribed (and subsidized) here in the US of A once a single payor health plan is enacted (never?) and once UniMediCare takes care of 10,000 such cases every year (never!?!). Until then, friend fallout, we is on our own.  Our best and only hope is communicating w/ each other.  OOPS, that's what you're doin'.  Nevermind.       ~eon

Oh vehemence. I get that way sometimes.  I'll be back soon, maybe a week. Talk to y'all later.

Yeah Tia, I believe The Dream house may be the best option, if your able to travel way down to south Mexico, Tia.   Yes, Eon, if finances are a concern, as for most of us, so finding other safe ways may be the only option.  I believe Tia went this route not too long ago.  A realistic option that I was considering is having Ibo hcl shipped to Juarez, MX from a reliable supplier and having the support there available for the days needed for the experience.  I would be looking at no more than $1500 total in costs, possibly.  I would have a fairly strong support system in place such as an RN available and health monitoring equipment.  The only issue currently is the risk of going over to Juarez, due to the current random violence that occurs. There may be more peaceful, less risky areas near the southern boarder here.  I'm sure this could also be done if your near the northern border, up in Canada.  Currently I'm on Pristiq(Desvenlafaxine) which has proved to be fairly effective with minimal side effects, so this time would not be the best moment for me, but I certainly leave it open for the future.   Take Care

Fallout, some thoughts and questions re: what you said. ((1))  Is the supplier in MX?  If not, what are Mexican Customs like now?  Do they ignore letters containing a few grams of powder?  Will they want you to pay import duty? ((2))  Very generally speaking, where would said package of powder be delivered?  To a friend?  A post office box?  Some sort of private postal service company? ((3))  As concerns using Iboga in war-torn Juarez, I know that I would prefer just about anywhere else.  I expect that you are well aware that a few grams of powder could be placed in a non-permeable container and siliconed shut for a few days.  Eliminating the need to pay muchos pesos for bed and board would certainly keep the cost down.  On the other hand, paying a few bucks more might get you and your sitters a suite in the Juarez Hilton (if there is such a beast) where chances of being gunned down are lower. ((4))  I was on venlafaxine which came out first and is a precursor to desvenlafaxine in the body.  The literature says to wait two weeks before switching to another serotonergic drug, and the same advice would probably apply to Iboga.  However, you may find withdrawal (discontinuation syndrome, as they are now euphemistically calling it) uncomfortable and need to extend that time while tapering off. ((5))  Am I correct, Fallout, in my understanding that you are not now using opiates, methadone, etc.?  If that is true, are you seeking Iboga because you have some other 'substance of abuse'?  I don't want to pry into anything, but I'm wondering if we share similar reasons for seeking Iboga. The only things I am addicted to at present are moclobemide, buspar and tobacco for anxiety and depression.  Though I don't drink ethanol on a daily basis, I do have a concern that I sometimes (too often?) consume too much when I do drink.  I'm not currently using cocaine, opiates, speed, or anything else.  I don't know where to get the things I would like to be using  --  e.g. shrooms or LSD. I'm seeking Iboga because I believe that it can resolve and heal psycho-social issues from my past that continue to haunt me and because I believe it can provide a vision of where I should be going in the future.  If I never do any drugs  --  including alcohol and nicotine  --  aside from the friendly psychedelics and mary jane, that would be great. Yer pal,   eon

Hey guenevere_walks, a number of good questions! ((1)) I know there are a number of possible suppliers in Mexico along with a good number, overseas.  I know the mail system in Mexico is fairly good, and should be no problem with shipping Ibogaine there, since it is considered an experimental medicine, If labeled properly there should be no big delay.  I think Tia may know more about this, since I believe this was part of her own experience. ((2)) Any of those would be an option guenevere_walks.  I would prefer a friend or families home for shipment. ((3)) There are some very nice places here in Juarez for lodging if one was willing to pay extra.  Would probably be best for extra comfort and peace of mind.  There are still many people around Juarez living normal peaceful lives. ((4)) Yes, I was on Effexor(Venlafaxine), in which I did notice some unpleasant side effects and the discontinuation was fairly uncomfortable.  This current pharmaceutical, Pristiq(Desvenlafaxine) seems to have almost no side effects, and I assume the discontinuation would be less harsh.  Best to taper off over a 2-3 week period, I do agree! ((5)) My main issue is the use of Alcohol and behaviors associated with it.  I"ve been dealing with this since about 1998.  Thankfully I've never had to deal any other type of substance abuse issue. Anxiety and Depression have played a large part in this whole issue.  I realize that some psychedelics, if used properly, can possibly lend a hand in changing some of these harmful behaviors, my experience is limited in this area, so I don't have much personal information.  Hopefully others can comment in this respect. I wish you hope and peace, Eon, take care man.

Friend Fallout, Thanks a zillion or two for you reply!  We may indeed have common interests.  I B happy that you spoke to your ETOH thing. {{{ ETOH Warning }}}Mr. guenevere_walksisphere had double the theraputic dose 2nite{{{ PROCEED AT YOU OWN FREAKIN RISK }}} In spite of any warnings you may be inclined to have had, I shall endeavor to speak most respectably.  It is my current theory that ETOH is the most common and widely perscribed imbibed medication for anxiety.  Part II - Current Theory:  It is really anxiety, not depression, that is our current epidemic (pandemic?).  I have come to believe that anxiety  --  long standing, unresolved anxiety  --  is the root cause of my depression.  The precursor.  I expect the same may be true for others. I am thinkin' that unlike REAL junkies, us whimpy ETOH junkies just might not need the same therapy as THEY do.  We are truly blessed that we do not share the same physical symptoms when coming off of our medication-of-choice, right?  We are so lucky, we only share the anxiety/depression part with them. Psychenaut spoke about experience using ibohuasca.  This could be something of value to everyone EXCEPT opiate junkies.  That is, while habitual users of any substance  --  cocaine, tobacco, meth, coffee  -- will indeed experience 'discontinuation syndrome', only the habitual users of opiates and benzodiazepams have any significant physical symptoms. ****   CAUTION    ****    CAUTION    ****    CAUTION    **** DO NOT TRY COMBINING IBOGA TA EXTRACT WITH AN MAOI ! ! ! Unless and until you know ALL of the compounds present in the TA extract. Reason being that a TA extract MIGHT contain tyramine or some other toxic amine normally deactivated by MAO.  I have been unable as yet to ascertain a complete list of compounds present in Iboga root bark.  Until an accurate list of compounds is discovered, the safe and wise approach is to assume the worst. The thing that excites me is the two part thing Iboga does:  1) It resets CNS receptors so that the discontinuation syndrome is eliminated/reduced (don't need a shot 1st thing in the morning); and 2) It provides a substantial period of neurotransmitter substitution that tapers gradually to allow endogenious neurotransmitters to achieve more natural levels & balance. I wish Tia was back from her vacation to comment... Truly:  Yours Truly guenevere_walks

"That is, while habitual users of any substance  --  cocaine, tobacco, meth, coffee  -- will indeed experience 'discontinuation syndrome', only the habitual users of opiates and benzodiazepams have any significant physical symptoms." Bullpucky. You can die from ETOH withdrawal. H withdrawal is seldom fatal, while about 20% of those going through DTs untreated die dead as a doornail. Alcohol w/d has some rockin' physical sx. Re getting Ibo to MX, I have a friend there who received it for me. It was labeled as Ibogaine. It was supposed to come two day ship, I believe it ended up taking two weeks, coming from Africa, to all over MX, to the US, then back to a few different places in MX. It went to the US to get tested, according to the opened package and notification slip. Glad to be back, Tia

as usual, you are correct Tia. Alcohol and bezo withdrawal are the most dangerous, they can INDEED kill...Heroin wd just make you WANT to die, but unless one had underlying serious health issues, opiate cessation, while agonizing, is almost never fatal. PS>> aren't drugs (almost ALL US scheduled drugs), now legal in Mex? I say circumvent the BS..label it as something else, I would imagine that customs there is inundated with shit now since they've laxed their drug laws? Correct me if I'm wrong? Love and Calaquendi

Hey anabel84, I"m curious why you had a bad experience at the dream house down in Nayarit?  I was seriously considering going there.  Thanks

I went to Sara's house in the Netherlands, back in March of 2004.  I went to kick methadone, and with everything included, for 1 week, (and she would have kept me longer had I wanted or needed to stay) I paid about $2300 total.  She charged me a very cheap price, and just wanted to help.  Mind you, I did not pay her all of that $2300.  That included plane tickets that were maybe around $600 round trip?  Hard to remember..  It also included my food, drinks, the cannabis I bought, and hash.  Cigarettes, and pretty much everything you could think of, for around $2300.  Now this was 6 years ago, and times have changed, there is inflation, and lots to consider, however, she treated me with utmost respect, even though I had really nothing.  She took care of me through the entire experience, checked on me, brought me a vomit bucket, helped me to and from the bathroom, and brought me teas or things to drink.  She made me food, and sat with me to talk about everything and anything my heart felt.   Now to me, this is such a priceless thing, in and of itself, that had I had it, I would have easily paid her double.  She took me into her home, as an addict and sent me away a changed person, yet she didn't know me from Adam.  I cannot express enough thanks to her, and can't say how much she charges, but I do know she is very loving, caring, and experienced with iboga, and is probably one of the cheaper/est options.  With that being said, she doesn't have a fully equipped medical facility, although she is not far from a hospital should the need arise.   For someone extremely worried about having a full medical staff, with training in dealing with pre-screening, post ibo treatment counseling, booster doses as need, and any other sort of in depth medical and counseling treatment options, I could easily see these prices reaching $5-10K, depending on the amenities of the center.  Sara did screen me herself, asked me questions and got to know me through emails and by telephone before she took me, and she gave me a real break on the cost, cause I was desperate, and she saw something in me (she even offered me a booster afterward, which I was kinda scared to take after what I had just went through, so declined).  She was very easy to talk to and listened to me express my feelings and talked about addiction with me, and all about the effects of the iboga, as well as other plant medicines she used.  She was very concerned with how I felt and what I needed, and that was enough for me. I had been on a methadone program for 3.5 years and tried a bunch of clinical detoxes before that, so I had run the gamut of counseling sessions and AA/NA meetings, and various forms of individual counseling in the methadone program.  All these things helped prepare me for what I wanted to get from iboga, and even though I still tried to use, when I returned home, it didn't feel the same, and I knew that I didn't want to fuck up the opportunity I had been given.  I straightened out, and gave up the opiates, gave up cigarettes within 5 months, gave up sweets and sodas, within weeks.  I had 5 full years, with some of the happiest times, and those in which I truly felt, and connected with a much higher self.   So that's what I have to say about Sara, and the cost of treatment.  I believe I was blessed to get a deal as tremendous as that, and it truly changed mine and my family's lives for the better. So my update after the 5 years.. Last year, I unfortunately broke a clavicle, and there is not much they can do for that type of injury, except medicate.  Well, I gave up buying the damn pills (Vicodin) from the high priced doctor that I had to take 4 times a day, at least, and started using much cheaper poppy pods.  Worked great for pain, one dose lasted all day, and I healed.  It ain't set right, but hey, it is back together, and I still have full range of motion.  Anyways, I have stopped the pods and reduced my dose to 30 mgs of morphine sulfate a day.  I have extracted ibogaine 3 times myself (each time getting more pure), and have found a very simple yet efficient way to make a very potent, even purified extract from root bark.   This time I am gonna rely on a family member to sit for me, and I am much more confident in myself with iboga.  It doesn't seem to really frighten me, unless I sit and read all kinds of warnings, which I know are serious and relevant, but it almost makes me become a hypochondriac.  Hell, I took a low dose of iboga, maybe half of a flood dose, back in December, but never got the visions and my withdrawal came back pretty strong, so I wasn't successful (maybe partially, seeing as I did step my maintenance dose way down).  This time I have made a much more pure extract, and am going to better prepare for the experience.  I also have enough for at least two full flood doses, so I should have plenty, even if I don't hold it all down.   Disclaimer/Warning: Ibogaine is very serious medicine, and for anyone, even a healthy individual, all relevant medical tests should be done, such as (but not limited to) ECG/EKG, liver/kidney function tests, and even checks for cardiovascular health.  One should be fully aware of any types of medications, as well as supplements, and even certain foods, that could interfere with an ibogaine session.  If/when you do find a provider, please tell them everything and anything you have taken, including vitamins, supplements, herbs, homeopathic herbs/medicines, and any drugs, period.   Now having said this, people will still want to try it themselves, so there are a bunch of things to research, and a few people you may want to speak with about various things you are unsure of.  This medicine is still in very experimental stages, and not everyone knows how to treat every situation with ibogaine.  Different providers take different approaches, and hopefully they communicate it as well as possible with other providers, so there can be as much information and ideas as possible when encountering strange circumstances.   I found Dr. Kamlet's speech from the ibogaine conference very informative about how the body/heart reacts and certain treatments that are given, rather than traditional things while under the influence of ibogaine, that many emergency room doctors would almost definitely not know.  So please, if anyone does decide to go this alone, with a trusted and informed loved one as a sitter, please do as much research as you possibly can together, ask as many questions as you need to here and anywhere that you possibly can that is related to ibogaine, and please take all the precautions you can.   We don't need to lose ANYONE (else) with this medicine!! Hope this helps!

Well said, Grateful! Do you have a link to Dr.Kamlet's speech in the conference you can share? Best of luck to you bro...

It's at the end of this one: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4702787  (This one is mostly about ibo politics) And beginning in this one: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4708360  (This one contains more about actual treatments right in the beginning)

Excellent! Thank you!

anabel84, I've since learned more about clinic options, and more about dreamhouse. Thanks for your honest comment!

Sara rocks!!! Amazing woman. Re ibo in mx, one can have it shipped to a p.o. box. One does have to go in person to get the box. $30 will get you three months, in my limited  experience. If I can answer q's bout my mx adventures via pm or email, i'm happy to. I HARDLY know it all, but I know what's been working for me. I love this place and Everybody in it.

Hey Tia, Are there any "issues" with The Dream House in Nayarit?  I was considering going there a one time, I'm just curious.  How is the mail system in Mexico, pretty reliable?  I was also considering doing the same as you did, over here in Juarez, MX....when things seems a little more stable there of course. Thanks!

Mail in mx has been wonderful. The issues are with DHL and any expedited service! Just say no to DHL!! I have had no problems using regular registered mail, and Only problems using DHL and expedited. It takes about 3 weeks each time to get from over yonder to the PO box using regular registered, and patience is a virtue, lol. On DreamHouse, minding I don't gossip, the head administrator is having a tough time right now. He's in my prayers. Always good to hear from you, fallout!

Thanks for the info Tia!  Sorry to hear about the Dreamhouse, I wish him well!  I assume you purchased Iboga Root Bark and did an Total Alkaloid extraction...or did you actually get HCL?

Friend Fallout, I am scared of the chemistry! And this from a master cook! (Not chef, no training. My specialty is 'What's Left in the Cupboard') I have received RB, TA and Hcl. And use 'em as is. All in a legal country, of course. I'm superduper grateful to have found a supplier I trust and have a great respect for. Never yet met a Bwitist I didn't like. AuntieTiacita

Very good to hear!  I can assume your supplier is up in Canada, correct!  Very limited information out there on suppliers, as far as I can tell. Thanks!

My supplier is not in Canada, much further from us. To protect the individual, I won't say more here. Don't like to be all 'woo-woo I have a secret'. But I respect my suppliers request for discretion. T

That's right, Britney. Have you guys looked at the stock photo choices? LMAO!