Microdosing fun ..

River, you have my sympathy.  I had chronic sinusitis while working at a dusty location.  The pain was intense and continual; the pressure blurred my vision, too. Unless you have a very tender tummy, I seriously doubt that 250mg of RB by itself would be making you uncomfortable or sick.  Perhaps it's the combination with the antibiotics  --  or just the antibiotics, for that matter. Iboga often does tell us if we are consuming something unhealthy.  People give up all sorts of things after using iboga, maybe it's telling you those antibiotics are not a good thing?  It could be time to switch antibiotics again.  You know what they say:  "Third time's the charm." Now that I have quit smoking, I can clearly smell iboga on my breath and body.  I have noted that the scent persists for days after taking only small amounts of RB (<1g) for a couple of days in a row.  So, I wouldn't worry about skipping 2 - 3 days or cutting back to only 100mg, some will remain in your system and be doing its job. I admit, that isn't scientific, just my own perceptions.   I hope I have helped in some way. I sure hope you're feelin' better real soon!        ~eon

Thank you

Hey river- what's the source of the root bark? There was some questionable material circulating not too long ago that seemed to generate some of these symptoms: namely the red and swollen eyes, etc. IME I can 'feel' little on root bark unless I do a few grams. REAL good bark can prick my ears and have me noticing it around the one gram range, but these are very minuscule effects at those doses. Iboga is cumulative and seeing trails or bursts of light isn't uncommon, especially at night time. It is not unusual to microdose during the day and have no visuals until that evening. Could all be coincidence and you are just having a rough time with sinuses like you said, whatever the case may be - I hope you get to feeling better soon.

What colour is the rootbark when finely ground I wish you a speady recovery brother! Blessings' healing and light' Nobu +

Cal, I doubt that even if River is doing the "questionable material" that she has done enough to affect her eyes.  I used 9g of that batch in micro and mini doses without eye problems.  She has only used 800mg so far  --  not very much. Remember, your bro had the equivalent of 30 - 40g of RB.  How long were his eyes red?  Did they get puffy at all? ~et

Ok Eon, just checking. My brother only did like 2g of the extract - got heavy ataxia and bloodshot eyes for several hours, and that was about it. I'm sure you're right on about this - I didn't mean to freak anyone out or have them second guessing their shit  . Just being curious I suppose. We may strike those comments from the record...I'm sure it's all good.

No striking comments from any records-- I HATE that--- there is something to learn from every post written!!! Well I am back to loving my microdosing--- I used a wee bit less than 200mg today and got my pleasant ear buzzing- nothing more.  The new antibiotics, which gave me diarrhea so severe I probably spent 4 solid hours on the toilet last night 9 (I know, TMI-- but docs talk like that LOL), has also cleared up my sinusitis and eyes somewhat.  I feel soooo much better today.  I can do things...I can see!!  My RB is iboga world and is a light tan finely ground and I do mean finely--  it's like baby powder.  What I want from the microdosing is a mood improvement to help curb cravings.  I am not far enough sober that I don't think of using daily and plus being a chronic pain patient-- I can usually find a "good" reason to use.  I think the 200 mg is just right for me.  Thanks everyone

...good on you, Doc!  I'm glad this regimen is working for you - my brother is using a similar protocol right now and things are looking up. I think there are so many ways we can benefit from this mighty tool - it's good to see different approaches working!

River, you may find this thread interesting https://dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13055 Soon I will join you at microdosing lovely Iboga

Nice one' all good to hear' the crap woods was kind of red' and very bitter' The taste of Iboga becomes sweet when you diet it' it seems that the bitter taste is a reaction to toxins in the body' Blessings and Light +NNM+

Hi All, It would be nice to know who sold the bad stuff.  I know of a guy who got ripped off from Shaman Extracts and SE must of lost thousands of dollars of business and rightfully so.  cinderpath

Thanks for the link--- it was interesting reading until I read what caapi tea is-- I don't like psychedelic drugs at all.  LOL my shrink, Harry who did every drug known to man in Vietnam just can't believe I don't want to leave my body and fly thru the sky... well I don't LOL.... I don't know-- I am getting ickier nose snot, I have a worse headache and the eyes are still bloodshot-- but I can see.  I just can't decide if I am getting better or not.  It's damn serious having sphenoid sinusitis as it is in your brain--- if it busts-- you get a brain infection.  Just the pressure alone in the sinus causes all the eye problems and the headaches.  But if antibiotics don't work-- you get brain surgery... not something I really want to do.  But at this point I am thinking of trying to see my doc earlier in the week than I was... or going to the ER if my vision gets all blurry again. In any case-- this morning I tried the 200 mg again- got a bit of nausea which was gone in about an hour--- and otherwise my mood, despite being so sick sure isn't bad.  I do think this microdosing works!  I also don't want narcotics... usually having a bad headache would make me take at least 3 or 4 Darvocets LOL...So it works on cravings too.  I do think that given what Sassy found in her research that at the three week mark micro-dosers get "wired"-- I want to get no where near the three week mark.  I plan to dose for 2 weeks then off one week.

I am wondering what the iboga guru's here think-- and yes, I know microdosing is very new.... but what if I took 150 mg in the morning and another 100 mg in the early afternoon.   Early enough to not ruin my sleep--- but far enough separated from the morning dose to have me avoid the nausea.  Yes-- I know you can avoid the nausea via enema but I am just not wanting to try that LOL....

Well, I'm no iboga guru, but... I think that the nausea will probably go away after a few more doses unless the antibiotics are part of the problem.  In your first post you did not report any nausea with 250mg, why is it different now? How about dosing the iboga first thing in the AM and then waiting a couple of hours before taking the antibiotics?  Even if you only do it once, that would tell you if the antibiotics are part of the problem. Are you taking it on an empty stomach?  A little food may help  --  they give iboga root with plantains in Africa, do you like bananas? As for splitting the doses, since ibogaine gets deposited in adipose tissue, you should be able to maintain the ibo glow by taking divided doses IF you are getting enough total alkaloids to accumulate.  And that will depend to some degree on your metabolism. You may be joking about the enemas, but someone on the vox list proposed a recipe for making iboga suppositories.  As I recall, he suggested mixing it with cocoa butter and keeping the doses in a refrigerator until used.  You could put all your problems with nausea behind you.  (Gak!  What a terrible pun, huh?)    ~et

ROFLMAO Eon-- you do make me laugh....ummm NO again to the enemas-- even with cocoa butter.... You may be right the antibiotics not only keep me on the toilet-- they make me sick to my stomach.  I take the iboga as I awake so I have an hour before any food-- but perhaps I should take it with food.  I just remember Sara refused you food for days LOL...  I live in FL so I can get plaintains and I LOVE sauteed plantains.   That would be an awesome breakfast-- thank you. I think I will try the twice daily dosing and see how it works on my second week of microdosing before I quit for a week.  I still can't discount the antibiotics effects--- but at least I was on it both weeks so I can see how my body, on antibiotics, does with once daily versus twice daily...

Yo river! I think splitting the doses like that would be just fine...I've done it that way to good effect. And in these doses you probably will not be troubled by insomnia, at least not until it has built up over several days. Good luck and hope you feel better soon!

Micro-dosing no cause nausia' Psycho-somatic is your nausia' The nausia of Iboga is caused by alkaloids flkoodong the brain' 200mg of RB has next to no alks in it at all' 50mg/1gram woods' so your 200mg woods has 10mg alks' this is slightlyu stimulating is all' shall last 12-16 hours' Iboga is anti-viral and anti-bacterial' It sounds as though you messed up your gut with anti-biotics' and are feeding psychosomatic emotions into the experience' all the Best' +NNM+

well,i can feel the iboga in the minutest amounts,i am sure it is not psychosomatic too,i cant fake tracers!i feel very wired,sleepless,ataxia,but no visions,i think we are all different,and we must honor it-viva le difference'!( my attempt at french).cant imagine why such a small amount floors me,ta or rb.maybe my brain latches onto it ,like yeahhh,now we can do something different!weee!,lol!!!.i wouldnt really call the experience fun,more like enduring. hey ,river,have you tried a neti pot? i know when its real bad,its hard to get the flow from one nostril to the next,but they always help me,i use neti pot wash with it,and 1/2 noniodized salt & 1/2 baking soda.antibiotica and me dont get along well,so i take chinese formulas,i'll bet your ac could help,they have antiibotic formulas too.i am aware of the risk to let one go untreated,yikes,lets not go there!sometime ,i have got to hook you up with some of my formulas,i keep all kinds around,for sinusheat,headaches,you name it.i just dont do well on alopathic stuff,weird how a person can gobble down their DOC,when i think of hjow much tylenol ive taken,its daunting!yak,yak-koko

oh,shit,i forgot why i started this post,the enema has very little fluid in in,like a 5-10cc syringe,filled with the solution,rather than a big ol' bag full,put in just past sphincture and hold it like as long as you can,at least that is what was told to me-koko

My experiences with microdosing not on antibiotics was that I got nausea when I went above 350 mg of rb.  I also got the tracers and the buzzing-- but that was all--none of it intolerable.  I think this time everyone is right-- my system is just all out of whack with the antibiotics.  As for a Neti pot-- that's how I got the sphenoid sinus infected-- shoving up the lower infection into this sinus in the middle of your brain that doesn't drain well.

Just to remember' anti-biotics kill good bateria in the gut along with the bad ones you are attempting to get rid of! I can see this would make ones system very sensative to Iboga alks' Iboga stimulates immune responce' there is no need of anti-biotics with Iboga' I can see the two making for some havoc' Eat some porridge' sugar and salt' long chain sticky carbs' aid your liver and kidneys to clear toxins from the blood' Drink lots of hig dose sodium ascorbate' this shall flush the system' 50mg Ibogaine gives immune responce' so I would dose 1 gram a day for 3-5 days' and drink tons of water' N' as Koko said' hit some chinese herbs' get some adaptogenic effects through other plants with Iboga! I wish you all the best' our nose is the centre of our being and it is a real bitch to get an infection there' Blessings +NNM+

Thanks Nobu-- I see a chinese medical doc regularly for my chronic pain/arthritis-- she put me on herbs for the sinusitis.  I am also taking probiotics three times a day to try to save some of my poor gut bacteria.  But yes--- something is just not right with this system.  Yesterday I had a flare of my autoimmune problems with my veins and ended back on narcotics.  So do I go back to microdosing like a chronic pain patient to keep from getting re-addicted ( ie 50 mg of rb)-- or do I do the 1 g ibogaine as you suggest to knock the sinusitis out.  It's clearly the stimulus to the entire problem.  I am sooo tired of feeling like crap and when the pains started yesterday with the rashes-- I honestly just cried.

OMG -- look what I just found!!!! http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1603397--- he talks about getting rid of his fungal sinus infection with iboga!! Nobu-- when you say 1 gram--- is that rootbark as that is all I have .

River, I think Nobu was saying that 50mg Ibogaine is equal to 1 gram(1,000mg)root bark. Great thread you have going here! It's interesting to hear how differently people respond to these lower doses of Iboga. I will start my own thread about my microdosing as soon as I have a bit more time. Unfortunately I've had to stop microdosing because I'm not sure that the product I have left here IS even root bark. I had ordered & received from Maya Ethnos, 5 grams of Gabon root bark )shavings)and 5 grams of Cameroon root bark(shredded), The Gabon root bark looked, smelled & tasted very much like the root bark I got from ShamanicX earlier, BUT...the Cameroon root bark is a different color(darker & kind of reddish) & it smells very strongly of incense & the taste is more bitter. After I ran out of the Gabon root bark, I took just a tiny bit of the Cameroon root bark because I wondered if maybe they sent me some incense by mistake~~~& both days I took it I felt unwell~~~extremely nauseated all day long. I've been emailing back & forth with Maurice & he is pretty sure that it's NOT incense...he thinks it may have taken on the smell of the incense samples he sent along with my Iboga order. But the Gabon root bark from the same package didn't smell like that. I even poured the contents of the Cameroon rb into my mortar & pestle & left it to "air" out overnight but it still smelled like strong incense. I think I'm going to just send it back to him so he can see it for himself. He told me that root bark can come in quite different colors and the darker, the better, btw. I was on day 11 of microdosing when I ran out of the good Gabon root bark and I was doing really well...very subtle but yet significant effects. So it's disappointing to have to stop now & wait until my next order arrives before I can start up again. Oh well, I guess I'll find out whether or not my tolerance goes up again during the time I'm not using Iboga. I hope you're feeling lots better River....that was interesting about that fellow being cured of his sinus problems with Iboga! Seems as if Iboga "fixes" just about everything that we humans suffer from~~~~makes me wonder about the health of the B'witi who take it throughout their lives~~~or do they only take it a few times during their lives? I want to learn more about B'witi!

Sassy - Maurice is a stand up guy and if there was any discrepancy at all he will square it away. Gabonese bark is superior to Cameroonian bark usually. Also - if it didn't come from Maurice's mouth , I would have thought that lighter bark was stronger. He certainly knows more than me about this - I just thought it was vice versa. Interesting.  Best of luck!

Best bark I ever had was a dark brown, and on the inner side, when in the sun, I could see tiny sparkles. Always good to ask where your bark comes from, too. Is it wild harvest or farmed? If wild harvest, is it harvested sustainably? The demand has really increased, are you participating in making a natural resource unavailable to the people of the forest? This is happening in places. Unless folk want to switch to microdoses with synthesized HCl, it will keep happening. I realize this is a deeply unpopular thing to bring up. But I will. Maybe you guys all already know where your bark comes from, and have asked your supplier, and are comfortable with the answer. I shouldn't be so quick to assume, duh. Love, Tia

I am seeing enough of the iboga effects with my iboga world root bark-- so I am not worried about it being good or not.  Indeed- if it was any better I'd probably have more problems taking it.  I know Sara was very particular about where in Africa she got her supplies from, though.  I think I am more worried about what else is in the rb we get-- things like pesticides??  We have no way of knowing....

Pesticides? So, you're sure Sara gets her bark from a source that uses farmed Iboga? If you are, just ask her if they use pesticides. I've never known her not to be forthcoming. Most Iboga comes from the forest, you know, a jungle. No pesticides there. Just native folk, some Bwiti, who are seeing their source of Iboga dwindle because the westerners like it, so those looking to make a buck go and grab it, and there ya have it. Tia

With the tissue culture studies that were done, they can grow cultures on a medium that produces alkaloids, but doesn't need to grow huge trees over 10 years.  We need to start doing some work on that, and we could have our own cultures, which would be easy to extract.  Anyone have any experience with tissue culture?  If so, start a new thread, and give us whatever ya got!  This is the way to provide enough for everyone, and the way of the future.  We can leave the sacred trees for the Bwiti!

I did do tissue culture work in college-- LOL back in the late 70s so I doubt I am of any use.  But yes-- it would be nice to know the Bwiti have their sacred trees and we have ours and everything is done green and organic.  I have a pesticide phobia because my original problem narcotic wise was kratom--- and god only knows what is in that powder.  Not to mention they extract out the alkaloids and then spike what is supposedly plain kratom to hook people on it and have them have to order the higher percentage extracts.  It's all a business to the people selling these drugs. Sara was incredibly honest-- I did speak to her when I was at her home about where she got her stuff and she did give me the name-- but I was too out of it to go and write it down.  But she did believe there is good and bad iboga out there-- and she'd gotten some bad so that it was important to her to personally meet and know her supplier.  I was sooo impressed with her I could go on and on LOL...  She's just one of those genuinely good people.

microdosing for long long time, I found this paragraph interesting For someone who was not an addict, but merely looking for spiritual or mental rejuvenation and change, could you administer the same dose? "Yes, but it’s not always necessary. For the last two years or so I have been studying the effects of administering smaller doses over an extended period of time. I have found that if you take someone who has been given a high dose treatment and compare them with a person who has been given smaller doses over a longer time period, they reach the same point, albeit over a longer time. The outcome of treatment is similar. There are still major benefits of doing the “Full” experience though. The best way to describe the treatment is to call it a “Rebirth”. This is also a way to describe the heightened sensitivity that the patient feels on the second day – very much like being a baby again, so everything is new. You even have to start with easily digestible foods specially prepared, etc."

All Maya products are top quality' I get samples of everything new and give of my accounts' The dark N0 3 cameroon woods is ok' it is a bit rough on the stomach but it has average amounts of alks in it' The top notch for this time is Gabon woods' it is on a par with IW woods' Also the powdered no.2 cameroon woods is top notch' you got to eat a few more grams than the Gabon woods' but still very good stuff! The lighter the woods the better' the dark woods tend to contain a lot of voacangine' of which makes the iboga experience harder on the gut! For those with sensative stomachs' eat your iboga witha bowl of honey sweetened porridge' it takes longer for the ibo to kick in' but works a treat for dosing and forgetting you took it! Maurice is a top upstanding man' the woods you have are good woods' no the best you can get' but still quite high in alks' Most of the Cameroon woods have been of a darker colour' except the no2 finely ground woods! As I have said' I have sampled all of those woods' As to the incence smell' Fresh dried Iboga smells somewhat spicey' until you grind it' then it smells kind of mushroomy! All the Best +NNM+

Low dose versus flood dose regime for addiction' Low dose only helps with the withdrawal' You got to get powerful visions to get past addiction' Low dose regime wires the client before the Iboga can wipe out bio-electic patterns in the body' Bliss! +NNM+

hey yall,hi nobu,actually,eric did a gradual dosing method with me several years ago,and it worked great!everyone is different!-koko

Yeah quietstorm, everyone is different.  Each case should be evaluated based upon the background and needs of the individual.  Treatment tailored to the individual is likely to be more effective than inappropriate treatment or no treatment at all. For example, it is reasonable to assume that the psychological profile of a drug abuser is different from that of someone using opiates for pain management.  While the need for introspective visions to eliminate addictive thought and behavior is important for an abuser, that is not necessarily the case for someone addicted due to pain management.  At least that's the way I see it... Hey deepwren, interesting quote!  I have used peyote in both large and mini-doses ( a single button a day) in the past and found benefits from both ways.  I see no reason that medicine like iboga should be any different.  That quote sums up my understanding very well.  Thanks! guenevere_walks

well,if i had never had a flood before,i could see how it would be beneficial,but i have done ibogaine 4 times.i still remember the 2 sessions that were very powerful,one was kinda lame cartooney nonsense,but a saw was going off in the neighborhood-yikes!,but i actually had the longest period of time without regressing after that one!so,go figure! the more i live,the more i learn there are no hard & fast rules,kinda like quantum chaos typa stuff,reality is pretty fluid & malleable,and rules suck,experts suck,being in the flow works best for me-koko

Well I don't really see chronic pain patients who get addicted as any different--- I can vouch for the fact that you still can't be trusted with a vial full of lortabs even if you got addicted because of pain.   I do think that once addicted--- you have changed your brain chemistry and if you have the right genes-- it stays in addict mode then forever.  Not that it's always a fight-- just always there.  My shrink, Harry got hooked in vietnam with according to him, every other soldier over there.  He says there is a huge number of those guys who came back, did no rehab and dropped the drugs forever.  I say they just didn't have the "addictive gene"-- if you want to call it that.   Then of course there are the train wrecks who never made it back to real life after Vietnam thanks to all the drugs.  Harry had to do a lot of rehab.  I know once I got addicted to morphine in the hospital after encephalitis- my brain was never the same.  I used to be able to have a glass of wine with dinner once a week or so.... after than one glass was never enough...

"there is a huge number of those guys who came back, did no rehab and dropped the drugs forever." Similarly, chronic pain patients without addiction genes should be able to do the same.  However, genes or no genes, everyone still gets physically addicted to opiates and will experience withdrawal that can be treated with iboga.  Those without the predisposition for addiction are those where moderate doses of iboga should be most effective. The big question is:  "Which group of addicts does the patient belong to?" "genetic tests could be used to determine which genetic variation a patient has and prescribe the best addiction medication for that individual."      (from  http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/genetics/  ) Please don't take this as being argumentative.  I am simply trying to make a case for more flexible use of iboga.  If a significant group of addicts could be helped by 50mg a day of ibogaine without side effects (e.g visions), the likelihood of it ever being legalized increases.  And, many more people would be able to benefit from treatment. If there were more data available on alternative dosing (i.e. non-flood) then perhaps that woman in San Miguel Allende would not have died. Me, I'm addicted to questioning authority...      ~eon

I like having discussions Eon-- debates even.  I agree with you that after about a week-- anyone is addicted to opiates and will go thru some sort of withdrawal.  I think it is ABSURD docs don't do a damn thing to handle this-- they don't even mention after the typical several weeks on narcs after a broken bone that stopping them cold turkey is going to be a bitch.  I think that EVERY patient put on narcotics for more than a week or two needs to also be sent home with a withdrawal kit-- a few clonidines, some valium/clonazepam, and boy would some iboga rb be great etc and the notion do NOT cold turkey, taper.  They don't do that-- plus they go writing for oxycontin like it's water-- so lots of patients get addicted for something simple like they broke their wrist.  I know a short term addiction will require a lot less treatment than a long term heroin addiction, but it is the same thing.  The person is going thru withdrawals and needs help.  There is NO help right now for the average Joe who gets hurt on the job, takes narcotics -- probably oxys for his pulled back for 6 weeks-- then the docs won't write anymore scripts and he starts on his merry trek into the world of under the table narcotics.  On the other hand-- there is "help" for the heroin addicts in the form of inpatient prison like rehabs at 20 grand for 3 weeks.  It's absurd.  The problem is the same that both ends of the spectrum have--- and aftercare for the long term abuser needn't be inpatient.  To me, it would be easier to have a set way to get people off the drugs and then those that were short term or chronic pain addicts go back to their primary doc, long term users go into the aftercare of their choice. Right now-- there's none of that-- just a bunch of pain centers out there marketing the wonderful suboxone to addict us to that.    In my perfect world, docs would get taught in med school the powers of opiates-- because we aren't.  All we get told is addicts are the bad guys who use after the pain from the injury is gone-- and need to be gotten rid of ASAP....  UGHH.... as a chronic pain management specialist I saw a lot of the other doctor "rejects".  And they were either chronic or acute pain patients who got hooked and couldn't get off, or they were long term users who were trying to use me to get some more drugs.  It's a shame, the state of how pain and pain medicine addiction is treated in the US.

Hi River, Have they isolated the addiction gene yet?  cinderpath

Thank you so much, Nobu, for that info about the woods from Maya! I'm pretty sure now that the darker Cameroon woods I got IS actually Iboga and not incense. You're right about it being harder on the stomach...I felt very nauseated both days I tried it. My new order just came in, I now have 25 grams of the lighter powered Cameroon woods and a 10mg vial of their new Iboga tincture. I have not taken any Iboga at all for the past 4 days now because I ran out of the Gabon woods & didn't trust the darker Cameroon woods, but I'll start microdosing again tomorrow morning. But first I need to find out how many drops of that new tincture it will take to make 300 - 500mg. of root bark as that is the dosage that was working well for me with the root bark. If anyone here can help me figure that out I would be very grateful!

It was 20mg/ml, I believe..  So for 300 mgs it would be 15 mls.  For 500 mgs it would be 25 mls..

Good luck Sassy with the new stuff.   You are so much more adventurous than me-- I'd be afraid to be trying all these different types, refiguring out doses etc LOL....  The iboga stuff is very light colored too-- which must be why I have less nausea with it than the darker stuff from shamanic.   I have also gotten used to it plus it works better for me as a morning dose and an early afternoon dose.

I'd test it all!!  I'd like a sample of every tree in Africa!!  lol, just kiddin', I am not that greedy!

I know my puking was definitely ataxia related-- move your head, you puke.  I don't think any of the common anti-nauseants will really fix that problem.  You may also be right too-- the body has to get rid of the toxins.   God did I ever sweat all over-- and I think it was coming out that way too.  I have to say that while the puking of bile was definitely NOT pleasant.  Once I'd settled back down and quit moving my head around-- I was fine and could get back to the visions and my thoughts.

hey yall,river ,i am still not convinced that ibogaine hits all the receptor sites necessary for painless detox,so ,i still contend that switch over to opis would help-koko

Oh I agree-- NO WAY I'd ever do another flood coming off kratom-- I'd switch over to oxys or lortabs---- something other than kratom.  Ibogaine just didn't hit enough of those receptors-- and LOL I was on TONS of UEI.  I figured what the heck I was on my last week before detox- go wild.  DUMB...really dumb.....

river,i can relate,back when i was dabbling with the online pharmacies and on 30 -10mg lortab and 8 soma a day,i went whole hog til i went to ibogaine associates.each time ive regressed,my intake has been lower,to the last time-which you were a witness to,the titrating helped SO much.now,i want to do a flood,just want the experience again,but with a qualified sitter,there are so many,r-want to be my first?-koko

I definitely count as a "qualified" sitter as in you will NOT die on me LOL.... but I've come to see that you probably know more than I do about dosing and when to do it-- perhaps together we could figure it all out as this isn't a full flood for someone coming off major league drugs.  You've done most of the hard work yourself.  Additionally-- I would like to have an easy one to start.  Poor Sassy isn't sure how far she wants to go with dosing and sitting with her will be nerve wracking to say the least.  Lemme know.  As I said I am heading back accross the country from dropping my daughter off at UCLA in mid Sept and have to be back to FL by 10/9 for a 10/10/10 wedding ( how cute huh??)...  no it's not my wedding.  I doubt Mr. Vanilla would ever marry his addictive gf here....

I think that would be a fantastic experience for both of you! Haha, "poor Sassy" is about right~~~I've been going through a bit of a confidence crisis re my microdosing Iboga goes. I did so well the first time I did it, right up until I ran out root bark. Then, when I started up again 10 days ago, I was using the tincture for the first 3 days and I felt NOTHING from that & my tolerance went UP, not good at all. Since then I've been using the root bark from Cameroon (Maya Ethnos) at 500mg per day. Tolerance was still not budging, so this morning I took a full gram. This rb is definitely active and I had a bit of the ear buzzing and some perceptual changes for some 3 - 4 hours. My tolerance finally seems to be going down now, on day 10, so we'll see. At least I won't be running out of rb this time. I still have 20mg rb from Maya Ethnos and another 30mg from Cerberus as well as 1 gram TA & of course the still mostly full vial of tincture. I've been wondering if it might be a better idea for me to switch from kratom as my back up doc to poppy pods? I just get this sense that Iboga & kratom don't play together that well...maybe that's what's been messing with my tolerance. Seems quite a few people used pods to good effect & didn't have too many problems going from them to Iboga. What do y'all think about that idea? I wonder if it would be cheaper too, that darn kratom is SO bloody expensive! If anyone here could recommend a good website for pods( & one that will ship across the border)please PM me, I would appreciate that so much!

I was on pods, and used iboga to get off of them.  I could dose once daily on pods, and I was fine.  They allowed me to stay regular, sleep normal, and were probably the most agreeable opiate I used.  They are around a dollar a pod, too.  I used between 3-6 usually, but did maybe 10 at one point to get really high.  If you have to use opiates, I do think poppies were pretty manageable.  I am not sure of a vendor outside of the US, though..

You know that the active alkaloids in kratom are both tryptamines, like DMT, LSD and psilocybin, right?  While they do bind to opiate receptors, heaven only knows what else they do.  Maybe that is why kratom & ibo don't mix too well. Back in the Viet Nam era, when real opium was common, I found it to be more interesting mentally (opium dreams) than morphine, heroin or synthetics.  I never used it for pain management, so I can't speak to that. I tried kratom a few times and didn't like it.  Pods are probably a better bet. ~et

agreed,then you can use ibogaine like i did,real small doses over a week,maybe,just maybe-koko

Good post Eon...I often wonder about kratom and iboga. I knew kratom was an indole and that always fascinated me, how and why it bound up those opiate receptors. It seems from posts here that kratom is very tricky to come off of, even with iboga. You make good points about the chemistry - I'd like to see more research on this.

Hi People, Kartom goes to the Kappa and Mu recepter, maybe that has something to do with it.   cinderpath

Exactly, Eon...kratom is a very complicated med! I think that most people underestimate kratom's power & think of it as pretty harmless, which it generally is IF people stay with the plain leaf & stay far away from any of the extracts. Those extracts can very quickly turn into the worst addiction possible. UEI (ultra enhanced Indonesian) will cause a persons tolerance to skyrocket after only a very few doses, and the pages in our other forum are full of UEI detox nightmares. When River was at Sara's house, Sara was surprised by the amount of Iboga it was taking to keep her even just partially out of withdrawal, so her flood experience was not as successful as most. I think the kratom possibly had a role in how poorly my microdosing went this time, too.