microdosing rectally
No very differently but overall much stronger. I am reading a book right now on Tobacco use in South American and in there they explain how 2 tribes use rectal admin but they also go into detail about the whole process of digestion. I can't for the life of me paraphrase very well on what it said, but the process that it is absorbed is rather miraculous like straight to the core temple. Suppositories for microdosing would be more applicable in my opinion. Can google or start page suppositories and learn that technique.
But how about dosing sublingual? My experience with this is very good. I just hold some RB in my mouth and about 10 minutes later I can already feel it... and it's also a kind of sedation as with coca in the jaws - very nice method. Maybe that is worth a try. I guess this works with TA as well, but that I haven't tried.
I posit that adding Lipta ashes would make it even better. Me first me first!!!
Are you serious? Does adding a base help sublingual absorption?
^^ Yes samyama - though I can't remember exactly why this is. Probably something obvious and right in front of me lol Egokiller - Good work an the methadone detox. You'll probably start to notice the reduction soon if you haven't by the time you read this. I advise taking it slowly: your medicine is in hand so no need to rush and you want the best possible chance you can give yourself. Depending on your personal sensitivity, you can probably roll on to an SAO when you hit 30mg or under / methadone. I have rolled over with ease from 55mg onto MS Contin (60mg - two pills TID) Hard to say what your Dilaudid intake 'should be' and I'd hate to try to go there only knowing you in this fashion. I know that some people, includung me, use 3X the amount of morphine to methadone to start the roll over and gradually decrease the morphine. It sounds like much more than it is - especially if you have long been an opiate addict. Rectal admin of rootbark, I wonder about the efficiency of absorption. Even if finely powdered it is still fibrous and full of inert plant-stuff. That seems odd that you can't keep down even one dose of Wood orally, it is interesting - are there any accompanying symptoms, or do you just throw it up? Samyama has a good idea, sublingually (under tongue) or buchally (in cheek like tobacco) will absolutely work, so if you aren't put off by the bitterness and don't gag this would be my first choice for a substitute. Good thread, and good luck!
Thank you brightwillow for the input, My first time coming off methadone I did 5 mg every 2 weaks and that was a good way but this time Im hopeing to come down 10 mgs a week but yes I am gonna take it slow cause Yes, I do rite now have sweats and hot flashes. Ive been administering the RB since Ive been decreasing about a weak and a half each night. I shall try and eat it with food during the day. I think I puke cause Im forever freezing everymorning and usualy nauses. I remember the first night I took 300 mg I woke up in morning to go to clinic and I had to hold the puke in my mouth till I made it to the toilet and then waited 3 hours to finnaly go to clinic. I have not been feeling anything from the RB caps from IW. I have what looks to be like 2 different batches or strenghts or something. when I ordered they gave me 35 300 mg caps but I had already in my posession about 60 grams of ground RB uncapped from IW as well. Do you know if the RB caps are any different than the ground RB from same place. to day I had stopped on administering the RB caps IW provided and I have made my own caps from IW ground RB/different batch? I administered a gram, So lets see if there is a difference, Im not sure what im looking for and Ive done about 4 floods in past I would like to maybe talk to you in a pm when I get closer to 30 mg so maybe I could get some information on how much I will need of SOA to make the switch. Yes my stomach is very week, I have a thread about flooding annaly with Bark But now I got hcl and ta but now I dont want to puke. I do have promethazine which michelle said was fine to take just a littel bit beforehand. Thanks for your help and am looking forward to hearing anything more you have to say. I read alot of your posts Cal. I will keep this thread up dated
All batches of any plants stuffs can vary widely - and sometimes the variances will exist within the same 'batch'. Plants are funny like that. However in most cases of commercially obtained root bark there is little discernible difference in potency - most of it hovers around 5% alkaloids. Color changes do not necessarily indicate any change in potency. It is likely not different - or at least much more different - than the pre capped stuff... Iboga World is a good vendor - but NEVER and I mean NEVER (listen up everyone) listen to someone over the phone (or online) that does not know you personally or have any medical background on you...and take any single person's advice as Gospel...yea, not even MINE. I know this may be difficult for many of you to believe, but I am not perfect, I am fallible and on the rare occasion even...WRONG. So, cross reference advice, triple check if need be - but always get a slew of stuff to churn through and try your best to sift through to a comfortable consensus. It is sometimes the best we can do. Michelle is good people but I am ambivalent about some of the dosing advice I hear from that camp. They, IMO, tend to 'dose' people on the high side - which for me is just fine, but I have learned I have an unusually high threshold for iboga/ibogaine and this is not the norm, so I rarely go there in open discussion because I do not want to give anyone the wrong idea, or have a newcomer or lurker read something and God forbid - come to harm from something they saw here but did not look deeper in to. My door is always open to PM friend. I may take a day or so to get back but I WILL get back with anyone who wishes to discuss anything off board. Best of luck to you and keep up the quest!
Thank you once again brightwillow, Tomorrow is Sunday and I will be going down another 10 mg off the methadone which makes it from 70 to 45 in 3 weeks with 300, 600, and now 1 1/2 gram anal admininterations each night. week one was a decrease from 70 to 65 and did that for a week. week two I went down to 55 from 65 and held for a week. week three(present) dcrease to 45 from 55 This is by got the most comftorable way to knock off lobs of methadone mgs. with microdosing!! I feel pretty good now, Like this microdising is realy working cause I tried doing 10 mgs a week in my 5 year ago detox and I had to go back up in meth and then restart to do a slower taper with no ibo but with this microdosing regime it knocked down 25 mgs of methadone in the end of just week 2 To tell you the truth, I didnt evan want to go to the clinic this morning, I FU&%in@ hate getting up at 5 to go and get this BS but what can I say, I fucked up and put my self in this situation but im climbing out this whole and moving forward. Since Im going down to 45 im gonna try 2 grams a day each administered once in morning and once at night. Then Ill take a nice break on week 4 cause by then Ill be ready to switch to a SOA for a 2 weak minimum maybe 2 1/2. Once again I posess 1 grm HCL, 3 grams IWTA, and plenty IW RB. Since I am gonna be doing the full on flood, 1 grm hcl & 1 grm PTA with 2 additional grams of PTA for afterwards treatment does it sound like I have enough materials? My stomache is so week and have no problem rectal administering or evan drinking my own $300 puke, I am not about to wast any this time. My 3rd flod was epic FLOOD FAIL 40 grams IWRB, puked within an hour back this past new years down the toilet,($80 Flush) If I was to look for a mild trip or possibably some buzzing in my ears so I know My RB still has potencey? and is it safe to tread those waters with my curent taper of 45 mgs methadone? I mean I am talking about a gram to 2 grams daily now but will cese in a week. just want to feel a littel something to know the spirit lives. Thanks Cal
The RB is the most likely to cause purging by far. Why not extract it? It will be much more likely to stay down that way.
As of now I have 1 grm hcl, 3 grm ta and 50 plus grms RB, before I only had RB. So now while I climb down off the meth with the help of the RB microdosing, I am gonna switch to a SOA for a decent length of time than take my hcl and ta. Ive heard odd stuff about IW RB and would NOT want to mess anything up so Ill keep it in RB form and just use it as is now that I have my tip of the spear Thank you for the advice
*oops** realized the issue is you not being able to hold the medicine down. Have you tried making some rice water and drinking that down before taking your Ibo? That could help your stomach relax and keep the medicine down. Since you are new to the M...or from what I can gather. I would try and stop that shite right away and immediately get to a SAO. If it has been less then a month for you on the M, you should be able to handle it well. Once it get's into you an extended period of time it is much harder to wean off of it from what I understand. I know people who work with Ibo and don't even wait for the Banzi to be in any discomfort. Of course it is different for all. Best wishes with medicine. Make it happen.
Def not new to the methadone, I just had to jump on real quick cause I couldnt get anything untill My goods arrived. That place makes me sick cause they keep your whole history and I can see from when I was there 5 years ago for a good stretch how much money I poured into that shit, 14 bucks a day is like 5400 a year. I did detox and did do ibogaine and I also everdosed too (read signature story) Its been a year since and honestly, I was only clean for as long as I was in the hospital. It worked and I had good intentions but this is florida and pills are everywhere and, well you know..... But yes I just heard it should be a piece of cake from some one else. but trust me if I didnt have the done, I would be sick as hell. I tried to wait but day 3 came and I wanted to jump off the balcony. Now im in my 3rd weak from 70 mg to 45 and I got a nice stash of about 40 8 mg dillies. Another hard thing is the old lady dosent want to understand the concept so I have to do this delicately. She will continue to stay on 75 cause she takes SSRI's or whatever. I dont want her to be jealous of why I dont have to go to the clinic anymore. Anyways ill be updating and letting people know how this goes. Thanks for your advice. I never heard of rice water but I heard of some one drinking coconut milk or water, Ill have to google rice water. I do have promethazine whis is a med they give cancer patients to keep other medications down and reduce nausea/ Michelle at IW said it would be ok If I took a very small amount so Ill prob have a litel of that. I decided to eat a gram of rootbark today and I felt nauses after about an hour or two and it came on strong and I puked but once it was gone I felt better. I wanna say I felt a littel buzzed, very minor, which makes me wonder if the rectal doses of 1 to 2 grams nightly are being absorbed the right way or at all or if any. I feel nothing with rectal but today i ate a gram and did feel a little electrofied for a brief minute after I puked. Does RB need to be eaten for best effects? I now this is kinda weird but I cant hold down anything. Thank god I do have hcl and ta, I hope that stuff is as they say it is. Thank you
OK Im down to 45 mgs methadone, I have stopped administering caps of RB analy. In stead I fill a shot glass with 2 grams and then with an oral syringe I put in 5 mls. I stirr it up and do 5 injections analy with no lose, The bunghole absorbs the water I guess. Any ways Im writting this cause I just started doing this yesterday and today when I was eating a sub I snuck a half grm RB in there and beleive it or not!!!, I got those familiar tracers . In a day or two Ill find out if it was the RB mini enema or if it was the gram that I ingested. Than I can say that Ibogaine RB must be eaten cause im proof it didnt do nadda in the but and I adminestered 10 grams in a week or 2 ide say. I was just updating, here in a day or 2 when I go with my girl I wanna skip getting in line and sit and wait for her and have all the staff like wtf is going on cause I dont want to take my methadone. I literly had to make 5 attempts to go to MSW (medical supervised withdrawal) They do NOT want you to decrease at all I wanted to go to 40 mgs from 55 and decrease a total of 15 mgs but dumb nurse said dr order is once a week, Check this, His recomendation was 5 mg every 29 days!!!!!! yea rite buddyI got plans this year.BUT the OLD LADY is does not find the shit I do and thats another thing im doing once im a new man, Is getting the &%#$ out. Im so sick and tired of her threating to kick me out,, ohhhhh sh erks me sometimes. Damn sorry abot that dudes i was on the rant. I just want to start my new life soon and im determined KOOL these tracer/trails are wicked, its like X-Ray trail vision
Great to learn of your progress, now take care not to founder on the Home stretch dude! When we get hasty is when we screw up, and this can spell disaster in more ways than one, especially where iboga detox is concerned... Listen to the advice given about staying on SAOs AS LONG AS POSSIBLE before a flood. This will only benefit you. The longer you are away from methadone, the easier and IMO safer your detox will be, not to mention the PAWS will be less severe too...you are rockin' it man, keep your eye on the ball, best of luck bro, Cal
No very differently but overall much stronger. I am reading a book right now on Tobacco use in South American and in there they explain how 2 tribes use rectal admin but they also go into detail about the whole process of digestion. I can't for the life of me paraphrase very well on what it said, but the process that it is absorbed is rather miraculous like straight to the core temple. Suppositories for microdosing would be more applicable in my opinion. Can google or start page suppositories and learn that technique. Whaouuu, it's hard . Tobacco in rectal= death?? Mimosa hostilis too can be put in rectal for absord if you can't keep in stomach because there are too much tannin but there are vey very powerfull and you can vomit. There are a lot plants who can absord by rectal but it's more powerfull than stomach and can be very very dangerous and fatal. Personnaly i recommend only by stomach . (I'm not a shaman, nganga )
Yeah don't do it. But there are 2 tribes that still do and a whole chapter a book. I have small amounts in mine but nothing near the levels. This one tribe (I forget there name) are experts at this method.
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