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tranquilpine90
16d ago

Microdosing to taper suboxone/subutex

Hello everybody as some of you know may know I have posted here before about getting off subutex with Ibogaines help. I have read around the internet for quite a while regarding the subject of microdosing off sub, and can do with some help. How long would I need to microdose to stabilize on each taper? am thinking between 1 week to 14 days? then take a wee break to let me stabilize without Iboga, and then start the process over again until I get to 0. Has anybody microdosed to get lower tolerance to sub and taper off? I am on 0.6/0.5 now so am thinking if I take root bark when I get up, then take 0.4 couple of hours afterwards? I do this for  week or 10 days, then take a break from the bark in order to settle down on the 0.4 without the bark, then start process again on 0.3 subs. Does this seem reasonable to you folks? How much is usually required to microdose? am thinking 300mg-600mg to start off? I have one issue, that is putting the bark in capsules...How much bark do 00 caps take in? and how do I insert them in caps? am not too savey on these issues so any hints will be well appreciated by me. The reason why I am suggesting using 7-14 days on each taper is to let my mind adjust to the reduction, as many of sub users know the mental problems that come with sub are one of the big issues, and it takes a long time to feel mentally clear from sub, so having said that I want to give myself the best chance possible. Of course if I was using short acting opiates then microdosing would be easier and less in duration, but since Ive been on sub for quite a while am thinking even microdosing with root bark will take time stabilizing mentally on each reduction, am just figuring the best way to go about.. Am worried if I run out of bark or something then the withdrawals creep up and half life of sub/taper/reduction will creep up on me, is it true bark can re-wire/set brain chemistry and eliminate many symptoms rather then just mask or postpone them? for example if am takin 0.4 for a week and I run out of bark would I feel the withdrawals of that reduction? or would taking bark for 7-14 be enough to stablize on the 0.4 subs? oh last question I hear Iboga is hard on us females? would I able to microdose all the way through sub withdrawals even after the taper? what am saying is can I use either bark or TA /HCL boosters to help eliminate some withdrawal symptoms rather then go on full flood? is that a possibility at all? thanks guys.
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roxine· 16d ago

Hi tranquilpine90, I don't know a lot about microdosing to wean off subs, I believe it could help.  I know there are several people here who have flooded to get off subs and that was a long battle even if switching to SAO's first.  There are a few wonderful sucess stories here, but they weren't easy.  I am not sure if this is true, but have heard of clinics even suggesting to switch to methadone if someone can't get SAO's for a period of time.  It's that hard.  I used it for methadone and was able to switch to SAO for a month, still not easy, but definitely do-able for me.  As far as it being "hard on us females",  I don't know if that is always the case, I think it effects everyone differently...I can only speak for myself but I am a very small woman and have been able to 'handle', have less ataxia, no nausea etc more than some much larger men.  This is just me though, some people regardless of gender seem to have a low tolerance and vice versa.  Because of this, it may be difficult to say how much or how long you should microdose, personally I would start with a smaller amount to see how that affects you and gradually move it up, but remember it does accumulate so, as you said you would be doing, take a break from it. As far as capping it, it may be a bit time consuming if you don't have a capsule machine but I just fill one side of the cap with as much as it will fit, then the other half.  If you have a scale you can weigh it before capping so you know how much you are taking, I would recommend that you do.  Once you have the RB and capsules in front of you, you will be able to do it. Others who have more knowledge about use for weaning off subs hopefully chime in on this. roxine

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tranquilpine90· 15d ago

Hi Lalaba, some good tips you gave me there.. What I will do is use the bark when I get up first thing, then take my subutex dose, but less, am not sure if I should cut my sub dose every day or every 2 days but rather every 7-10 days, its not a short acting opiate so with subs you have to mentally adjust, that can time.. Anyway I ordered from Ibogaworld.com, they come across very courteous, helpful and friendly...I just want to know where do they ship from? what's their address? incase I need to track my parcel and contact my local post office, they may ask where is the parcel meant to come from, basically the senders address, so I would be more happier if I had this information....Mind you I did recieve a tracking number, but like I said incase anything happens with my parcel it's better to have the senders contact details...

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happysparrow· 14d ago

I ordered last month and paid the extra 60 for curior and I got my package hand delivered to me and had to sign which was fine, it did say though and to answer your question, IT or atleast my package was sent from CAPEGATE AFRICA and went through customs like a charm, magazine size parcel. Im doing the same as you with trying to use RB to take off chunks of methadone milligramage before i go to a SAO and wait 2 weeks. I hope nowing where it ships from helps you, FEB 22  I receivd If you ordered from them and made the account you most definetly get a tracking number, Just ask  and LALA is rite, it is in no way labeled ibogaine and I wont say what it is labeled but you should be home the day you are expecting cause if your not then they will leave a slip on your door than you get to be real paranoid when you go to pick it up but their record is so good plus they have a free reship if your stuff is lost. They are great people and know what they are doing in reguard to getting you your medicine

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roxine· 15d ago

I'm not sure where they are to be honest, either Holland or SA?  Where are you?  If you are in the US, don't bother worrying about it, if it doesn't come you don't want to go to the post office looking for it, or if you are anywhere where it is not legal.  I think they have a pretty good track record of getting their shipments delivered and I don't think it will say Iboga World on the package.  You should get it! roxine

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tranquilpine90· 13d ago

I ordered last month and paid the extra 60 for curior and I got my package hand delivered to me and had to sign which was fine, it did say though and to answer your question, IT or atleast my package was sent from CAPEGATE AFRICA and went through customs like a charm, magazine size parcel. Im doing the same as you with trying to use RB to take off chunks of methadone milligramage before i go to a SAO and wait 2 weeks. I hope nowing where it ships from helps you, FEB 22  I receivd If you ordered from them and made the account you most definetly get a tracking number, Just ask  and LALA is rite, it is in no way labeled ibogaine and I wont say what it is labeled but you should be home the day you are expecting cause if your not then they will leave a slip on your door than you get to be real paranoid when you go to pick it up but their record is so good plus they have a free reship if your stuff is lost. They are great people and know what they are doing in reguard to getting you your medicine I got my capsules by the way, suprisingly in 5 days.... Do you take less meth each day? or do you do decrease your meth dose every week or something?...I don't think for me decreasingmy sub dose everyday is wife, because the half life is long and I need to mentally stabilize, I dont want to take the risk of having withdrawals hit me f the root bark runs out or stops working, or I build tolerance towards it, so what am going to do is take bark first thing, then less sub dose for a week or 10 days, with the bark, then stop the bark to see how I feel and whether Ive stabilized on the dose of subs, then continue the process with the bark again...The only way I can see each day reduction of meth/syb working is if you take bark with it continuously, but you cant take the bark everyday for few months, so when you stop it you may feel hard withdrawals, I don't want to risk that, so I will use the bark and the same dose of sub for 7-10 days.

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happysparrow· 13d ago

If your feeling sick eat a couple grams to help.  It does help Ive been decreasing 10 mgs a week from 70 to 40 Im not sure how subs work but I assume its more sticky than methadone

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