Personal dosage experience/questions. pls help! ;x
Oh! Forgot.. Hcl is like.. stronger(?) than TA.. right? So.. wouldn't I take less weight of it? I mean, that makes perfect sense to me, but I don't think I've seen anyone mention different mg/kg doses for the two different types anywhere so.. I'm confused..
Some providers recommend HCL as "cleaner" for opiate detox. That's the 15-20 mg/kg formula. I've flooded 3 times and did just HCL the last time. The iboga worked all 3 times in eliminating acute withdrawal. IW is the source i used to purchase from. I had a professional sitter the first time--in fact there were 3 there, one was an RN. I needed help getting to the bathroom to take a leak. I maybe could have crawled. You are going to be "out of it" for 6-7 hours and loopy for a couple days after. Overall though its not that unpleasant. Biggest thing--stay calm and go with it. IMO it the best way to get off opiates. Should work good in your circumstance if planned well. Get answers to all questions before proceeding. Good luck!
Hi nadiya44, It seems like you have read a lot, for coming off of opiates I would go with the higher dose, I have yet to experience HCL I kicked my methadone habit with homemade TA... If you order from IW... It seems Michelle would be able to advise you the correct dosage, she would probably recommend a mix of hcl and ta. HCL is pure Ibogaine where as the TA has other beneficial alkaloids as well. It is wonderful that your parents are supportive of this. Make sure you have a sitter!!! Keep reading, this is the place where I got all of my info before I actually took the plunge... There is a lot of good stuff on these boards. Good Luck! roxine
So do you have a recomended dose that you think is good? I was when I do the mg/kg conversion it ends up being almost exaclty 15mg/kg = 1gram for me, or 20mh/kg = 1.5gram for me. I had sort of assumed that I would order 2g of Hcl and 2g of TA.. flood with 1.5g of hcl and use the rest for boosters as needed? But you think I should go heavier? What brings you to that? Not arguing at all, I'm entirely and totally open to it, just wonder what has brought you to that place.. Did you find your flood wasnt enough? Or see a lot of people saying that? That was something else I wondered too.. like, if I start puking this sfuff up, should I try and get some more down to replace it? Or what? It seems like a lot of people have just avoided hcl together and just stuck with the TA? Think I should do that instead? Just buy 5 or 6g of it straight up? Also it looks like I'm actually going to buy from Cerberus Ex, because I'm in Canada and planning to flood around the 4th. I worry that theres the slight chance the other place might not get it to me in time? I dunno.. Thx!
Hi again nadiya44... I think 15mg/kg would be a pretty low dose for a heavy drug addiction, it might be fine for a psycho-spiritual, but even then, why not try to go for the head cracking? I have heard that Cerebus is good stuff, I haven't been able to get my hands on it... Since you are in Canada I would go with them, closer and possibly better... When you are kicking a huge habit, you want to go with the higher dose. I would have extra on hand for sure (if possible) in case you are still feeling WD's and/or for boosters. I think a lot of us here prefer the TA because A) we can extract it ourselves easier, B) I think that the other alkaloids do quite a bit as well. I would still suggest a mix of the two. The Hcl will be faster a "Flash Flood" as Zion Om compared it to his TA flood, also I think there is a faster recovery from it, but again, I think the other alkaloids could lead to a more full experience. I think that if you stagger the doses you shouldn't purge too early, but it is always a possibility, I personally have never had the tiniest bit of nausea on TA but I don't think that is the norm. I still think that Cerebus would give you pretty good advice on what your dosage should be, but maybe others will chime in on this, I personally started with a test dose then half a gram(TA) + every half hour until I was at about 2.8, but ended up taking 4.5 total. I just kept taking more until I felt like it was enough, make sure you have more measured out and ready to go. I think you should have extra just in case you need it, and you may ( I think that you have about 6+ hours? to stack the meds ?) You have a pretty big habit, I am trying to brush up on the metric system, ( I don't even know how much I weigh in Kgs :/ !! )... also I am not sure about this, but you may want to stay of the cocaine longer than the H... I am not experienced with this combo (yet) but when I do get the chance to have HCL, I will be adding TA.... I am sure someone else will comment on this as well. So Rux, there you have my opinion... a mix, with extra on hand and yes Cerebus rather than IW since I am sure you would get it sooner and all of that... But if you feel you would rather just have the hcl, it is totally up to you. roxine
Awesome! Thanks so much for all the info, definately appreciate the attention, hah... I think maybe what it sounds like I should do is get maybe um.. 1g of the hcl and then another 5g or something of the TA? I can test with a little bit of hcl or something, and then flood with 1g hcl and 1gTA? And then have 4g of TA left over for a few boosters over the next few days.. unless of course an ARMY of people decend screaming "dont listen to lalababa!!!" I don't imagine I'll be a good judge of the concept of "I need more/thats enough for me." right? I hear people talk about how when it doesnt work for them they sort of like "wake up in full withdrawl".. making me think that when you're still on your flood, even if its winding down or something, it still does its job? Like, if I do a 2g flood and wake up in withdrawl.. should I just take another 2g? Or another 1g? Or another 2,5/3g? or do you def need some downtime? Hahah sorry, question city.
Hi again! I still think you should get the advice from Cerebus, as I said I am not familiar with their product, and it can vary from vendor to vendor, batch to batch. I think this plan seems okay, but I may have a bit more on hand for the flood rather than taking heavy doses of TA over the next few days for lingering PAWS (though you will still probably want more for microdosing or "microbursts"). The first night after my detox, I had some RLS, but it never came back. I would suggest that you make your sitter do some research as well.... read Cals last post in the Ibogaine hcl and TA regime thread and wait for some more answers from others before you decide exactly what to do. Read up some more, ask more questions... You will find the right amount for you.
Hi friend, Unfortunately, despite practically begging him, the most Cerebus would to to help me with details was to forward me here and ask you guys. Fair enough, citing legal reasons for not answering any questions. In a black and white world hes totally in the right here.. but, yeah, whatever ;x Either way, 2g Hcl and 3g TA has arrived.. the 2g Hcl for the flood, and the TA for boosters.. the flood I am doing in two days. Eeeeee nerves. Not sure if I will do the entire 2g? What do you think is more likely (for me as 30year old male .5g/day horse habbit, 160lbs) me freaking out for 2g hcl being too much, or doing like 1.5g and not getting enough out of my flood? Any ideas? <3mw
Rux, Stop and take a deep breathe. You sound excited too, which is good. You should be, this is the first step to you becoming human according to the Bwiti. And kicking that habit is going to be a thing of the distant past..... I have flooded 4 times, 3 HCL and 1 TA. I have also woken up in full detox. It is really difficult to predict what is going to happen, which is why we take all the precautions we do, and why we research as much as we do. I trust you have read all about the "Pre-Flood Requirements." IMHO, do a test dose of 100mg. Wait 30-45 minutes and see how it treats you. Keep stacking sizable doses from there on out. Purging is expected. It's all up to you whether or not you think you can manage more Ibogaine after you purge. You should have an internal sense as to whether or not to keep taking Ibogaine with this method. Try and communicate this with your sitter before hand, as they may be the one administering the final doses. Stair casing the doses over 4-5 hours (every hour) seems to be most effective. 400mg of HCL is a good dose for the hourly stacking. In the end, if you get down 1.5 great! If you get down 2 grams, super! The most important thing is that you be safe. Travel well! Blue
Rux, Stop and take a deep breathe. You sound excited too, which is good. You should be, this is the first step to you becoming human according to the Bwiti. And kicking that habit is going to be a thing of the distant past..... I have flooded 4 times, 3 HCL and 1 TA. I have also woken up in full detox. It is really difficult to predict what is going to happen, which is why we take all the precautions we do, and why we research as much as we do. I trust you have read all about the "Pre-Flood Requirements." IMHO, do a test dose of 100mg. Wait 30-45 minutes and see how it treats you. Keep stacking sizable doses from there on out. Purging is expected. It's all up to you whether or not you think you can manage more Ibogaine after you purge. You should have an internal sense as to whether or not to keep taking Ibogaine with this method. Try and communicate this with your sitter before hand, as they may be the one administering the final doses. Stair casing the doses over 4-5 hours (every hour) seems to be most effective. 400mg of HCL is a good dose for the hourly stacking. In the end, if you get down 1.5 great! If you get down 2 grams, super! The most important thing is that you be safe. Travel well! Blue Amazing advice, thanks so much friend. Really, this is great stuff and I'll take heed to all of it. I have a friend online whos also got a habit hes trying to kick and is super interested in iboga to get clean. Think its a bad idea for me to stream my flood to him online? In a locked stream room of course. I won't have to worry about legal repercussions, iboga is legal where I live, nor social just cuz.. well.. I probably won't be in a situation were that would be detrimental to me any time soon... I guess I would potentially post the link here to anyone who wanted it?..
Hi Ruxpiinexe, Blue Tiger gives good advice. I think it is up to you if you want to stream it to your friend or not... I wish you well on your journey. Safe travels! roxine
Sooo.. about 16 hours till I flood. A little bit nervous, and in some ways not looking forward to it. but then I think about being clean and totally reaffirms that this is totally the right choice. Anyways, I've heard its a good idea to write down yourself some questions now that you're sober to sort of ask yourself while you're flooding because the answer you get from yourself is completely honest and without bullshit. Anyone else here that? If you did/didn't, do you believe it? Good idea? Pleased with what you found? Regret anything? And if its not too personal for you, anyone willing to share what they asked themselves? As always, thanks in advance. -MW
yes, I have heard that. I personally didn't but I still think it is a good idea... questions or goals you want to set for yourself.. It is more about the intention you put into it, if writing it down can reaffirm those intentions for you, then by all means do it. Set some goals now. Put a lot of your intention into healing as well. I am excited for you. It may end up being a beautiful experience for you... I tell you what, when I actually saw my brain being re-wired from years of abuse it was so amazing... Truly. Don't be afraid to take more of what you have if you are still feeling withdrawals... mixing some TA with the hcl does not hurt, it may even make for a fuller experience... just make sure your sitter is able to have everything ready for you... you can still stack the meds for several hours after your flood begins.. I wish you all the best. I am looking forward to hearing about it. roxine
Good luck with your flood. For me, that wanting to be clean took away the nervousness. For good reason it turns out. I didn't get as much of the "spiritual" benefits as others, but for sure the iboga kept me from any serious physical withdrawal. I've flooded three times due to relapses, but it worked all three times at bypassing the withdrawal. Write down your questions. I think it will increase your insight and maybe "spiritual" benefit.