1st Time Extraction? Read this first!

Good stuff Eon.  I think I'll stick to root bark for first attempt.  Extraction will come next

Ya.  It sucks losing all your RB to a botched extraction, I can attest to that, twice.    I still just don't get it, I guess I'm just not cut out for the extraction as of now, but I'm good with other plants... While my advice would be pointless, I would say the best thing to do is, like I have been told by a smart man and still failed to do as good as I should have, WATCH IT LIKE A HAWK!  Every single little fucking part of it...specially on the first/second time.  I still would like to hear people's tips on what they do for successful batches each time. And I thought Chris Jenks' would be easy as baking a cake too, but apparently not to everyone, and I don't consider myself particularly dumb (with MOST things).  And Chris' tek includes ammonia rather than the basic acetic extract.  Still not sure which one's easiest considering I've tried both and failed.  Hopefully someone learns from my mistakes, whatever they may have been...now my first REAL meeting with iboga will have to come a different way rather than my own extraction that I really thought would be reasonably easy.  Be careful!!  And if you don't have room for risk, go HCl right off the bat.  I wish I would have just done that at this point now...

I think goatboy just didn't get enough, clean enough, to get where he expected.  I mean I do have a lot of experience with extracting things, but it's really easy.  I would say 100g of quality root bark should be enough for one dose and a booster.  The way I see it, is good bark is 4-6% alkaloids, so from 100g of bark, one should get 4-6 grams of pure TA.  About 60-80% of that is ibogaine.  So 100g should give around 3-3.5 g of ibogaine (100g x 5% alks= 5g of which 70% is ibogaine), and 1.5-2.5 g other alkaloids.  This could make two doses, for most people, but I would probably take more like 2-3g of TA myself, so I'd say 100g is one dose and a booster..  I would probably suggest eating at least 4-6g of the freebase TA, if that's as far as you took it, or probably 2-3 g of the TA HCl.

One of my concerns is that, say I had about half of a flood dose at least...how come it didn't help with my tolerance at all?? didn't feel like I was half tripping?? didn't have any real introspectiveness??  I'd say I 'felt' the first extract I did slightly more (after all it was more RB and more 'purified'), but overall is just taking a half flood dose while deep in w/d's always not positive reacting or is my body just responding to this medicine different than others?

Well, half a flood dose, would definitely take away the withdrawal for a little while for me.  I am not sure exactly what is going on with you.  I really don't know what the deal is, but I bet if I gave you a decent dose it'd definitely give you some profound effects.  I know when I did the acetic acid extract, I used about 30-40 grams of bark worth of the extract, I got a good buzz, and my withdrawal went away for 12 or so hours, but it started coming back as the dose wore off..  I did throw up some of it, but surely 30-40g of bark is what Nobu and everyone suggests, which didn't really do all that much to me.  I mean I was definitely feeling ataxia, seeing some trails, and had a bit of the shakes, but I didn't get any strong visions, and it didn't knock out all the withdrawal.  My tolerance did not seem to go down much, although I did slowly reduce over the next few weeks, pretty easily, so it did have some benefits.  I think the key is to stop listening to all the people warning about going over 20 mg/kg, especially with the TA, because I think at 20+ is where it really starts working.  I was probably about 65 Kg when I ate 2.5 g of TA HCl, and it was enough to help me change all my bad habits for a good bit.  Everything I have done since has paled in comparison, so I say screw the low doses, you need enough to do the job, and for me that is likely 50+ g of bark, plus boosters.

While it is certainly true that someone with no previous experience can prepare an active extract, I feel regret for not having influenced goatboy to buy some TA or HCl instead of attempting 2 RB extractions. If he had gone ahead and purchased the extracts, would he have been successful kicking the sub by now? Would it have cost him any more money?  Any more time?  Any more disappointment? I just want to be sure that people coming to the Forum are given the best possible advice for their own particular situation. One of my friends  --  who has excellent lab skills, regularly synthesizes compounds and has a PhD in Pharmacology  --  burnt up a batch of 1000 peyote buttons.  OUCH !    Shit happens. ~et

That's a lot of Peyote Buttons

Ya, and that was driving from Chicago to Texas and back to get them  --  36 hours each way.  We filled several buckets with our big salty tears on that one...   ~e

The amount of bark you had should have been sufficient to at the very least, seriously interrupt withdrawal and have other clearly noticeable effects. I'm curious as well on this one...how long did you put between your last opiate dose and the ibo? I know you said you are on xanax - how much  did you have on board when dosed the extract? There may have been some issue with how it was dried? I'm certainly not trying to rub it in dude, but I know we would all like to try to get to the bottom of this to help future endeavors. Thanks for posting your results too, these are costly but valuable experiences. Maybe we can narrow it down to reveal if it was a mistake in the extraction process someplace, or some discrepancy in the dosing protocol, or what have you... I would definitely suggest finding some reputable vendor and getting a prepared batch of material. Sorry to hear of the hardship.

OK.  Guess I'll just have to come out and say it. In my very humble opinion, based upon many years' experience making alkaloidal plant extracts:   If this is your first attempt at extracting;  Unless you have someone who will assist you throughout the ENTIRE procedure;  Unless you have money to burn and can make several attempts;  Unless you don't care how long it takes;  Unless you ARE NOT DESPERATE AND WILL HAVE ZERO PROBLEM IF THE PROCEDURE FAILS; then DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EXTRACT IBOGAINE BY YOURSELF ! ! ! Buy the TA extract or the HCl instead.  Period. I know that is not what you wanted to hear.  But, I believe it is good advice.  Buying an extract or purified alkaloid will be cheaper and more reliable.  Dosages will be easier to determine.  You chances of successful detox/addiction interruption will increase.  If this is important to you, don't try to save a few bucks by doing it in the sink  --  it could just end up in the toilet. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the fundamental purpose of this Forum is to help people get clean and heal themselves.  Information on extraction procedures is smoovey, but not fundamental. torrie_learns, you have just been there.  What would you recommend to someone with little or no experience asking for help?  Would you suggest they try doing an extraction or buying a professionally made extract? My $0.0199999      ~ Eon

Good advice Eon.  That is why I will go RB and not even attempt an extraction to TA.  Another thing I'm not dealing with is detoxing from another substance such as goatboy is(Besides SNRI controlled detox), so that makes things a bit more flexible.

I say go ahead and just buy the stuff, too.  If you can't seem to do it yourself, then just buying, while more expensive per dose, might work out about the same, if you screw up extracting, so do whatever you feel comfy with.  The point of the extraction was to make it more accessible.  Buying a 100g of bark is usually cheaper than 5g of TA HCl, so that is why I used it, and suggest it.   But if by any means you are not confident in your abilities, or do not want to risk anything, besides losing an illegal crystal substance in the mail, then just buy the extract online however you can manage.  While I find it extremely unfortunate that goatboy was unsuccessful, I am just totally unsure of what was done, and what he got for yield, etc, and if I was able to get all that detail, I am sure I could figure out the trouble.  Last I heard, he was going to take like 2.5 g of freebase TA, which is likely only 50% pure, which is nowhere near enough for a full flood dose. By all means, just get it however ya can.  I have had luck getting mislabeled bark, cactus, and other things in the country by mail, but sending crystally powders through customs seems like it could be difficult, so you might just end up losing your money for absolutely nothing but a fancy customs letter.  I wish everyone the best of luck in acquiring whatever they can, and if all you can get is bark, then the extraction is a possibility..

Hot n' heavy, wow. Love it. Couple points: it's not impossible, or even that difficult, to get ibo in the states. Without incriminating anyone, there are some very trustworthy and reputable suppliers who understand the situation here and can and do help. Also, some providers are willing to supply as well. I welcome private inquiries about these things. Also, on mg/kg, I have gone higher than 20mg/kg a few times. Some need it. I have also seen someone so deep she didn't respond to her name at 9mg/kg. Depends on type of habit, length of habit, age, general health, many factors. My best advice is to get twice what you'll think you'll need and have someone near who knows ibo and can see where you're at and give you more if needed. Twice what you anticipate needing for dose, so you can throw some up, have some if dose isn't sufficient, and if left over, you have boosters. Alsox2, Iboga has it's own agenda and timeline. This is fer real, friends. I've seen it time and again, the best laid plans of men/women/lalala all to the wind if Iboga knows another time is better. T

BTW, I just wanted to add, I have no college training, no chemistry background, had no one holding my hand through the extraction, and I had perfect results my first time.  So like with anything, take anything you hear with a grain of salt.  You'll have people tell you you should not extract, people who'll tell you not to do it without a sitter, people who'll tell you not to go over 20 mg/kg and more.  While these are good precautions for some, if no one ever did any of these things, then we would have far fewer success stories, I am sure.   The extraction is very simple.  Mix bark with vinegar, let sit an hour, strain, repeat 3 times.  Combine the vinegar portions, evaporate some if you'd like to reduce the volume, then mix in strong ammonia.  Let the precipitate settle, and filter it out, then rinse liberally with water.  Let it dry, then grind it up and mix with acetone, strain the acetone through a coffee filter, to remove any solids, then add some drops of concentrated hydrochloric acid to the acetone, and watch the crystals start crashing out.  Throw it in the fridge over night, then filter out the crystals.   With that basic concept I typed in a few sentences I did it, and I didn't have all the measurements I made in the detailed extraction, even.  I added those all to make it easier and more precise, but I didn't have those measurements when I did it, so it's very possible to just fuck around and get it right.  The only problem that arises is when you discard things before you have all the goodies, or you decide not to take it all the way and still aren't sure what your doing, but go for it anyways. I do wish you all the best of luck, in whatever you try to do.

" I had perfect results my first time "  --  GDad, you speak of getting cactus, etc. so I am thinking your RB extraction was not the first one you ever did.  Is that correct? I spent a fair amount of time PM-ing & talking to goatboy with tips as I believe you and harveyplex did, too.  I know gb gave it his best effort, twice.  From conversations with him, he ain't no dummy. Yeah sure, if Cal can do it, anybody can, right?     (Sorry to pick on you, Cal, just trying to make a point.  No hard feelings, buddy?)  But Cal had prior experience and friends to help.  Right, Cal? I have personally burned up stuff on several occasions.  I will probably do it again.  When things get close to being dry, the heat must be reduced/removed VERY CAREFULLY or things burn  --  even below the BP of H2O.  Basically, without expensive temperature controlled equipment, one can't walk away from something on a steam/hot water bath for more than 5 minutes.  Having a partner/assistant is a BIG help, IMHO. Dad, I am not criticizing your tek nor your obviously sincere and earnest interest to help.  Both are flawless.  I am just questioning the advisability of counseling a neophyte to try it by him/herself. This is not just something to get high with.  This is something crucial to the mental and physical health of someone who is at the end of his/her rope.  Someone desperate for a cure. I hope I'm not coming off angry here.  I do admit to beating myself up for not steering gb toward purchasing an extract when the subject first came up.  To sooth my troubled conscience, I felt compelled to present the 'other' side of the coin. Please do not take my posts as criticism or hostility or anything like that.  I offered to drive to gb's or have him come here to do the second extraction, which unfortunately did not happen.  Would another set of eyes made a difference?  We'll never know. After my first botched RB extraction, I took someone up on her kind and generous offer to get me some TA.  While I am sure I could have done the procedure you outlined, Dad, I was not 100% positive.  The results were far too important to risk fucking up again.  In retrospect, I am happy with my decision. When I have more time and am not under the kind of stress and anxiety that I was pre-iboga, I can definitely see myself doing extractions.  It is hard working effectively when it appears the whole world is about to collapse on your head (said Chicken Little). OK, I think my conscience is mollified. Peace & Love to all you Peaceful and Lovely People! McKnight PS  --  And that was my fair warning to all you peaceful and lovely neophytes.  May your alkaloids be as fresh and pure as new-fallen snow!    ~McK

Ya, geez, this thread is heavy towards my failure  But I appreciate everything Eon is trying to point out, and all of that is very important.   GD - Although I think the first time, had I had 100g for the A/B extraction, I think that might have done the trick actually (Although I say that with knowledge from my experience, and there are some things I would of done differently second time around w/ the A/B (chris jenks method) of it.  But I had in mind 50g would suffice, but that is apparently was said in a thread using the acetic extraction method.   And yes Cal, I can't think of anything I did wrong besides the drying that I see you've heard about through the grapevine, but I can't be sure of it really...When I was drying the mix off, I was gonna do it at night, but it was like 3am, so since I already put a good 5 hrs. at least of work already, I decided to wait untill morning, and planned to wake up early.  So I ended up waking up at 6am, put it in the oven at 200F, then layed down, two hours passed.  I then woke up again and checked it, looked to be going good, so I went to go lay down for only intentionally a half hour maybe before checking again.  Well I woke up about 2+ hrs, and ran to go check it, and at first it looked I had just caught it in time, I was still moist but no liquid at all left whatsoever...did I let it sit for too long? Idk, I couldn't say for sure.  But I still had high hopes considering ibo can only burn up at 300 and it was at 200 and not totally burnt or anything.  But throughout the process, everything went smoothly except that.  So maybe that was my mistake.  Also, I gave myself about a little over 24 hrs, wanna say about 36 even, and I took 1mg of xanax the whole day that I planned to go on the journey, and I'm pretty sure it wore off by the time I started taking the herb extract. Eon - I now do regret being impatient and not taking more of your offered help, which I much appreciate.  And you mentioned 'goatboy, you have just been there.  What would you recommend to someone with little or no experience asking for help?  Would you suggest they try doing an extraction or buying a professionally made extract?  Well like I said in an above post   'And if you don't have room for risk, go HCl right off the bat.  I wish I would have just done that at this point now...' I'm still curious as my body chemistry working positively with Iboga.  Like is there a percentage of people that it works for, and some people it just doesn't work, positively, period.??  I heard it works at least a new sense of being short-term and tolerance wise for most everyone, could I be like a 1% that's immune to this.  I am just thinking this because as far as Tryptamine's go (referring to DMT mostly, I'm not sure what is all in that family that I've tried...mushrooms and blotter work wonders for me tho), I have never gotten full experience the full effects my peers have.  Even after taking a double dose.  Just a small thought that is bothering me before I go in for my last attempt at this for the time being.  I'm hoping, I'm just one of those hard nuts to crack so to say, so this time I plan to go about 25mg/kg HCl.   And much thanks to Harvey, and Eon for all the help with everything and concerns...I really need support at this point.  I plan to make a positive ending to this never ending process you guys that have been helping me out with.  Even though so far nothing...I'm NOT giving up STILL.  I'm actually been opiate free forrr, about 3 days, which is hell, but really I'm working on staying clean all the way to my next session and sucking up with the horrible w/d's, benzo's only, and not even abusing them.

Great thread! I wish I could add more, but I'm at the beginning steps myself.  Sending you hopeful vibes Goatboy.

torrie_learns, I seriously doubt it's a matter of your brain chemistry not working with iboga.  I am confident it's simply the dose range.  As I said, it takes me a hell of a lot more than 90% of the people I read about.  I honestly have no idea why I feel I need a much higher than recommended dosage than many suggest, but I do, for sure.   I have done iboga 3 times, and the only dose that really gave me the visions and stuff that people describe under iboga, was a dose of TA HCl, 2.5 g for a 63 Kg person (at the time I was under weight from reducing my methadone dose).  That would be over 39+ mg/kg of the TA HCl.  At that dose, it gave lasting benefits and even though some of the changes that occurred were very subtle, they were lasting and beneficial to my health.   Things I had no intention of stopping suddenly became less desirable, and turns out they were all things that were not very healthy.  I could see you not liking iboga, or not giving it a chance, but I really can't see it just not doing the same shit to your brain that it does to everyone else's.

torrie_learns, please forgive me for using your experience as an example.  By doing so, the discussion could be about actual events instead of hypothetical ones.  I figured that rehashing these sad results would be somewhat uncomfortable but felt that the benefit/knowledge that could be gained by you, me, Forum members and especially someone contemplating doing his/her first-time iboga extraction will outweigh the costs. I consider this to be my failure, too.  What did I forget to tell you?  What was I unclear about?  What should I have done or said differently?  The reason I started this thread was not to make anyone feel bad; it was because I already felt bad.  I felt like shit and was compelled wave my hands in the air and shout "Whoa!" before it happened again. Again, please forgive me, but I think that there is something valuable to be learned here. "ibo can only burn up at 300 and it was at 200 and not totally burnt or anything"  --  I really, really do not like using an oven for drying, that is why I recommended a crockpot and a fan.  The oven temperature setting is for the AVERAGE temperature.  The heating element goes well over the target temperature before it kicks off.  Heat is the enemy of ALL compounds.  The higher the temperature, the faster the rate of degradation.  While some chemical might survive 10 minutes at 300 degrees, the same one could be destroyed by spending one hour at 150 degrees.  If it was on metal, hot spots and rapid conduction of heat could make 200 degrees seem like 400. Having said all that, I am now going to say something that should convince you that I am utterly, absolutely, 100% bat-shit-loco:  "Third time's the charm!"  If you want to try again, here at my place, together, I'm up for it.    If you turn around and run away as fast as you can, yelling:  "Oh God, save me from this maniac!" I will totally understand.    guenevere_walks

No I def understand where your coming from and all...No need to feel bad bro.  I fucked up, although maybe things could've went different, there's no one to blame but MYSELF.  And if this helps someone else in the future, then hey, it'd make me feel better for sure.  "ibo can only burn up at 300 and it was at 200 and not totally burnt or anything"  --  I really, really do not like using an oven for drying, that is why I recommended a crockpot and a fan.  The oven temperature setting is for the AVERAGE temperature.  The heating element goes well over the target temperature before it kicks off.  Heat is the enemy of ALL compounds.  The higher the temperature, the faster the rate of degradation.  While some chemical might survive 10 minutes at 300 degrees, the same one could be destroyed by spending one hour at 150 degrees.  If it was on metal, hot spots and rapid conduction of heat could make 200 degrees seem like 400. I quoted that whole piece because I think that's all VERY important to know for drying those ways.  Although I did not use metal, maybe leaving a pyrex cooking dish in the over for 4 hours at 200, maybe it overheated it after all.  Althought the crockpot/fan technique takes longer, it does seem like the way to go, but you still have to watch that mothaeffer... And Eon, I would take up your offer more than anything right now, I regret not using your assistance and deep knowledge because mostly of my impatience and confidence.  But I'm not going to RB method any time soon again, I simply just cannot afford it.  I spent the rest of my money and then some this soon coming last chance not gonna do any extraction or RB teks.  HCl and plenty of it, so that will determine my true results.  And of course, as always I will fill yall in. Eon has a lot of heart, and just as much smarts, as everyone can see.  But he is a genuine good man.  Good looking out bro!  How many people would have offered the help that you offered and reached out to help in any way to someone they don't REALLY know.  Although I put everything out there in previous threads, still, ya kno.   I am gonna make this a success story for all of you, my doctor, and mostly myself.  And obviously I'm not gonna bluff or lie about it, I admit to my mistakes and want to find the true essence of this 'golden elixor' Much love and peace to all of you with good intentions.  I've come to feel like this is like another family that's really looking out for me (as far as guiding me towards the best way I can think of to end this hell of a life, and helping, and offered help)

This thread is great example of what this forum can be. Unfortunately there have been some hard bumps in the road for our good friend goatboy - but, these experiences are truly valuable for others who come after us. Documenting these things is so important...I was just on the phone with pkeffect telling him thanks for working to expand the site and reminiscing about when I did my first flood. There was nothing like this out there then, and now seeing this place bloom and grow makes me feel good about the work all of you are doing and the great people who come here to share. I am proud of all of you guys and it makes me proud to see our little village expanding like this....so thanks to each of you! Goatboy - I know this has been a hell of a ride for you, but hold on to the knowledge that your mistakes or misfortunes (chronicled here) will help other people to avoid pitfalls along the way. As Tia said, iboga really does have its own timeline and perhaps when you finally do get a successful treatment under your belt, hindsight will reveal things to you that you may not have been able to see otherwise. You haven't given up, I like to see that. It inspires all of us to do better. Reading your posts I am still kind of at a loss as to exactly what happened but I tend to lean toward what GratefulDad says about dose. All things considered - you may have just simply been way under the mark. I would have thought the amount you began with to be sufficient to at least really give you an idea of this, but who knows? Perhaps it was a combination of factors... Your attitude is what's really important in this phase of your journey. Maybe it's 'testing' you to see how serious you are? Each of us has their own personal chronology in these ventures, and I have long been of the opinion that these types of medicines and devices look at us as much as we look at them. I know it has cost you time and money and I would not make light of your situation, but as weird as it sounds, this stuff does have a spirit and an 'agenda'. Like I said, hopefully you will get a good one soon and be able to look back with the proverbial 20/20 vision of retrospect. And yes, Eon, I had some help with my first extraction - just a couple friends who had previous work with other plants to share. It wasn't my very first extraction of anything, but it was my first time working with this particular stuff. You know how when you go horseback riding (if you ever have) - a horse will know instantly whether the person on his back has experience. Whether or not they are confident, or fearful, they read our attitudes and abilities right away. I think these plants can be likened to this: certain ones are more 'outgoing' than others. Some are more readily accepting of our desires or intentions, some will perhaps be stubborn or even uncooperative. But the more we practice and stay with it, the more we learn and share, the greater and more rewarding our experiences. Much love to all of you!

gd- while you know far more about the chemistry than I, I do know that the TA people most commonly work with is 25-30% active alkaloids. would that change the mg/kg of your first experience?

Yes, knowing the purity of your extract would be very beneficial to calculating dosage.  Taking it to crystal form, even if tan, is still probably well over 80-90% pure, but with recrystallizations, one could get it even more pure.

From a PM from me to goatboy: "Looks like both times it was bad RB.  Please accept my apologies for saying you messed-up. With hands in pockets, downcast eyes and hanging head, Your Chastised Friend, Eon" Recent information has shown that the RB that goatboy extracted was NOT T. iboga.  While that information certainly undercuts my message to neophyte alchemists, I nevertheless think that there is some good advice and warnings in this topic.  As long as T. iboga remains illegal in the US, we will have to contend with stuff like this.   ~eon

Makes sense.  That's why I couldn't figure out what he did wrong, because he didn't!  lol  Well, I am happy he didn't just give up!

Tu che'  Dam I can't believe it was that all along..

Amazing to hear goatboy....really glad you came out ok in the end!

Thanks Nobu, I think taking it more gradually actually helps ease into it and cause less puking.  I ate 4g of bark to day for a nice buzz, but I am going to do 85/15 pure alkaloids (85% ibogaine/15% other alkaloids) and gonna go for 20-25mg/kg to see, then if not totally rocked, I have bark and a gram or two of iboga world TA, so I will make it this time, buddy, for sure!!  No subtances really to kick this time, so I am thinking it may really work a little better, but I am not stoppin with less than what I really am after.  Thanks for the advice!! Respect!

I' will start a new thread entitled 'the 100g rootbark extraction', (seeing how old this thread is). But I found several remarks,comments ,ect that I either would like to reply to or have the poster elaborate as to what they mean or could do better,ect... Anyways lets start with the amount..100 grams of iboga rootbark. - First I can see why using HCl or muratic acid would do a better job than the acetic acid or vinegar would. Especially if vinegar was used and not actual acetic acid of lab quality. 5% solution of the HCl takes more hydroxide (-OH) solution to precipitate all the alkaloids. - I was wondering why again a weaker hydroxide is being used to bese the 100g. acidified RB solution?  Is it Dr. Jenks way of being environmentally friendly and at the same time assuring all the chemicals needed remained 100% OTC? (over the counter)?  -Could one use Sodium hydroxide (100% lye) or potassium Hydroxide (potash) to precipitate the TA alkaloids, or are there byproducts left behind from the use of these two more commonly used bases? -It's a simple A/B extraction to get out the TA precipitate so going wrong seems like an unfortunate result for anyone. Especially if your well versed in pulling the goods from any plants be it A/B or STB or alcohol (methanol) extraction. Roughly $449 dollars for 100 grams of this Iboga so I'm gonna be using HCl and Ammonia just because I dont want anything lame like me using Lye to leave beind any NaCl (salt). -Besides doing the extractions in 50 gram batches , what advice would any of you who've succesfully extracted and further purified their Iboga bark into it's purest form Ibogaine Hcl? Heck I'll take any advice pertaining to any pitfalls that this sacred plant tends to exhibit during it's extraction to any of the forms ,TA,PTA,or HCl. I find GratefulDad's posts to be particularly personally noteworthy to me as we both share roughly the same amount of time (8years) of addiction to the same type of opiates. First (pods,perks,oxys,to smoking heroin).This I did for 4 years.  Then to synthetic opiods (4 yrs methadone maintenance). I never could get lower than 24mgs tapering and am now awaiting my bark and plan to switch over to smallest possible heroin smoking coupled with hydrocodone 10's. If I try to taper off in the reverse fashion (hydo then heroin) I'll wind up experiencing too much painful withdrawals. As anyone who's done methadone knows that hydrocodone cannot bind to the opiate receptors currently still being occupied by the methadone.  Even though the standard dosage for the complete blockage of any/all/most opiates with methadone is 80mgs. Even at my dose of 39mgs, vicoden wont even begin to ease, in any type of way, the opiod withdrawal symptoms methadone produces. What the heck was it and any vendor thats pushing fake or the outer bark layer should have all possible customers warned of this type of unethical self centered business dealings. If you want to call it that. More like straight up burning people. This conversion gets me confused sometimes.... So if I weigh 210lbs, how many kgs do I weigh? (210 divided by 2.2?) and once thats established whats to correct way of determining the proper dosage, multiplying my kg weight by 20-35mgs? I know I've got alot more to ask/say but I'll stop here and see if any responses are posted. I've noticed this forum is still a rather small community. Must be the 'E' in eboke.info thats keeping it off of the major search engines radar. This is good IMO. We ex-bee's remember what happened to the hive and poor strike. Not that the two forums share anything in common except for potentially harmful information. The hive had alot of dangerous recipes being posted as fact towards the end. They were posted mainly by meth cooks who had no intention of making honey(MDMA). This forum contains possibally dangerous information to certain government entities, pharmecutical entities, methadone lobbyists, suboxone doctors, ect. ..The list goes on and on. But by the feds lumping it in with the other schedule 1 hallucinagens and determining it as having no medicinal value, plus stating any further research into it's potential is too costly makes me really sick inside. I feel sad for my kids, because things today arent anywhere near like they were when I was growing up. Drugs like meth, crack, and heroin are all revenue generators, population destabalizers, and legislation inspirers. 300 to 500 million dollars to bring a new drug to the market. Wheres the payback on a drug that isnt maintaining your addiction? They want u to live with their BS drugs like suboxone. How much research I wonder went into divising exactly how to couple it with the naloxone as a means of preventing diversion on the black market?   I'm sure alot. Maybe some may have to take another ibogaine dose after the noribogaine makes its way out of your system. But thats 3 months later, after the PAWS is mostly over with. No drug company wants anything to do with a cure. I love that video where the Doctor mentions the chemist who discovered the polio vaccine and gave it away for the betterment of his fellow man. WTF is wrong with the world we live in.....Capitalism = greed. Anyways holler back

Using HCl will pull a better yield, and that is how I would revise the tek I wrote, thanks to Chris Jenks.  If using hydrochloric instead of acetic acid, then using ammonia is a better idea, because you'd be left with salt in the extract if you used sodium hydroxide.  Chris Jenks originally wrote his tek to make it as easy as he could for people everywhere to do it, and for the chemicals that are the easiest to acquire, and most widely available. I wouldn't necessarily go for 34 mgs/kg of TA, especially if you don't know the strength or purity of your TA.  To figure out your dose, you take your weight in lbs and divide by 2.2 (or 2.21), and this gives your kg.  You multiply your kilogram weight, by the dose you want to take in mgs, and this gives you how many mgs you want to take.  For instance, if you are 210 lbs, you are 95 kgs, and if you want to take 20 mgs/kg, then you multiply 95 x 20 = 1900 mgs or 1.9 grams of ibogaine HCl.  With a TA, the other alkaloids also have effects similar to ibogaine, so you don't want to forget about them, although in most cases, you are going to take a much larger dose of TA, than ibogaine HCl.