5MEO-DMT

I too am interested in this. as swim will be getting ahold of some very soon. Dmt is just too intense for me unless i snort it. 5-meo seems like it would be just as intense but not as visual, which is what i want, the visuals on dmt frighten me. is eating it cool? i hear you dont need an maoi because its so potent. what about insufflating?

Sounds like a rough trip from what I understand.  I thought there were some heavy possible physiological effects along with possible heavy ego dissolution....powerful stuff no doubt. No experience here...only expressing from what I read, so I definitely can be mistaken.

Hey You Guys  ! I mix both virolas together and mix it with edible lime and this works as described . I hope this post is of help. and it goes a little something like this ..... ( hit it ! ) Virola calophylla resin probably contains about 10% DMT. That’s a guess according to its potency via sublingual use. Virola calophylla resin is very unlike Virola theiodora resin. Virola theiodora contains 5-MeO-DMT in abundance, and little or no DMT. The opposite is true for Virola calophylla resin. SWIM has found that he can get mild visual effects from as little as 500 mg of Virola calophylla resin mixed with 6% calcium hydroxide (30 mg) and ground to dust using a mortar and pestle. The effects are very smooth and pleasant. This is perhaps the best way to use DMT. It’s far more pleasant than smoking DMT. The amount of calcium hydroxide required is 6%. SWIM tried more, and more is not more effective. Less than 6% and the mix become weak. If no calcium hydroxide is added, the resin produces almost no effects sublingually. The calcium hydroxide is essential. Because Virola calophylla resin contains quite a lot of DMT, it’s been used for making ayahuasca as the sole admixture. SWIM has not tested it’s potency orally in ayahuasca or with any MAOI. Without MAOI, up to 1 gram isn’t effective. Here's a recipe for some innerspace activation : You can freebase it with water and lime (calcium hydroxide). Mix about 4 parts resin with 1 part lime by volume. Grind them together to a fine powder with a mortar and pestle. Then add a little bit of water, just enough to make it like wet clay (just like making Yopo snuff). Mix it thoroughly. DO NOT HEAT IT. Dry it in front of a fan with no heat. Once dry, thoroughly grind it again to a fine powder. here's another recipe : Virola resin (500mg) Lime (30mg) Justicia pectoralis leaf (100mg) THH (50mg) Water (pure, distilled) And some possible dosage information :   Virola calophylla is active at about 500 mg sublingually or as snuff, with that being a weak dose, but strong enough for mild visual effects. 1000 mg is a more decent dose with good visuals, but considered a moderate dose. If the resin is used sublingually or as snuff, you want to add about 6% edible lime (calcium hydroxide). That amount works as is. Any less and the snuff will be ineffective, any more and it’s overkill and will burn you. There’s actually no need to wet it ahead of time if taking it sublingually (unless making a quid for the cheek), but if using it as snuff, pre-wetting it slightly and mixing it and then drying it will help. Don’t use heat when drying it. The THH needed depends on how you use it. If used 10 minutes ahead of time, 20 mg is a very good amount either snuffed or used sublingually. But when mixed with the resin, you’ll need about 30-40 mg because it’s diluted in the resin and not all of it gets absorbed. When the natives use it with caapi, they often chew the caapi while snuffing the resin. But some mix it in with the snuff. I don’t know how much they use though. Many of the natives actually don’t snuff it, but instead wet it slightly and then roll the snuff into a ball and put that in their cheek as a quid. Either way, 6% edible lime (calcium hydroxide) by weight must be added or it won’t work. A quid is now SWIM’s preferred method. You just slowly suck on it with it in your cheek. You can’t allow any saliva to build up in the mouth, so you need to slowly suck it, or it won’t work. The edible lime (calcium hydroxide) is essential for Virola calophylla. Virola theiodora is effective without edible lime because it contains mostly 5-MeO-DMT, but Virola calophylla is ineffective as snuff or a quid without edible lime. The edible lime is needed to freebase the DMT, and to keep the buccal/nasal mucosa alkaline to allow the DMT to absorb through the buccal/nasal mucosa as freebase. 5-MeO-DMT can absorb through buccal/nasal musoca as freebase or as a salt, but DMT can only absorb properly through buccal/nasal musoca as freebase. I hope this is of some help . Mucho Mahalos and love of space travel - harvey plex aka bee

more information at : http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/shamanic-ethnobotanicals/virola-resin-and-bark/

Interesting HP, sounds intriguing.   Thanks for the link! I was actually getting confused with 5-HO-DMT(Bufotenin)

I have smoked my way through a few ounces of synthetic 5meodmt over the years. I absolutely love the stuff. have also combined it with harmine a few times for oral consumption and added it to ayahuasca brews. It scares the living shit out of most people but the ones who do like it absolutely love it. You can read my first experience write up here... http://pkeffect.com/neurotranslinguistic/?page_id=7 It is nothing like dmt, the only thing I can kinda say resembles it is nitrous but thats selling it short. I have done it prepared as snuff a few times from various plant/tree sources but most of them contain bufotenine which is nasty stuff. Plus I don't like putting things up my nose. All in all I miss 5meodmt very much. It's just too damn expensive these days. I haven't had any in about 7 years. Maybe I'll find a plant source with a high enough content to extract from since there are teks to separate it from the bufotenine now.

Well PK, you certainly sound like an advanced Psychonaut, on the edge  I need to take small steps, or my mind may fall apart. Peace

Having smoked a few ounces maybe you could answer . . . I have found the following quote in Shulgin's writings: "...A thread common to each of them, is the comparison of the effects of smoking 5-MeO-MIPT to those from smoking 5-MeO-DMT. The speed of onset, the intense depersonalization and loss of immediate contact with one's surroundings, the impressive recall of early memories and the significance of these memories, make the drugs appear similar to one another..." and wonder have you found any significant memory recall affect in association with 5-MEO-DMT.

I have very limited experience, so I can't give as good of answers that pk could, but I didn't get any real childhood memories brought black.  It was pretty much mind blowing, and even though I was expecting visuals and stuff, it wasn't really like what I would have expected on DMT..  More like a super flash of an LSD experience mind trip.  But I mean like what I experienced on a real high dose of LSD dose (7-10 mgs dose), that totally removed me from my body (locked in my mind)..  That is what 5 did to me.  Like a fast out of body experience, is about the best I could describe..

Hi brightwillow, I have heard of the licking the toad thing but if you check out Wikipedia it is toxic.  Sometimes you read things and it may not be all that great.  Then in Erowid a lot of people do not seem to like it.  Of course some people love it.  Oh, has any one taken that stuff when you mix the seeds Yopo or Aysuwasha (sp) if so how did you like it and how long were you high for.  Just curious Thanks,  cinderpath

You're not supposed to lick the toad, as it's poisonous.  However, you can milk the glands on the back of the toad and collect it on something hard.  You let it dry, then scrape it into a pipe and smoke it..  It is Yopo or cebil seeds that are crushed, and mixed with edible lime, or pickling lime (aka calcium hydroxide) then it is blown up the nose, or snorted..   Harveyplex posted about it in post number 4 in this thread.. ^^