Iboga and Nootropics ~ Contraindication or Synergy?

i tried some nootropics a few years back and got headaches so...... i stick to nature's nootropics gingko ashwaganda gota kola brahmi they go well pre and post flood (always stopped 2 days before and started 2 days after flood) and work well with microdosing significantly increases focus, memory, awareness. and 'control' also Golden Root (Rhodiola rosea ) Maral root (Rhaponticum carthamoides) Ginseng Foti

Hey Kambo. I love nootropics when they work for me. I usually combine psychedelics with piracetam, pramiracetam, or aniracetam. The thing for me is getting the dose right. Most people seem to take a lot of piracetam. I find that 250 mg works great for me. I feel a bood boost in creativity and music appreciation. Sometimes if I dose higher I will get negative effects from it. Aniracetam has my favorite effects but it has a sort of comedown with me. This might be because I need to supplement with more choline towards the end of it though. All of my senses are heightened and sharper. I think, at least for my self, that nootropics need to be cycled. I find if I dose days in a row I feel only negative effects. This is especially true with hydergine, another cool nootropic. I think most nootropics boost BDNF in the brain so I think that they could be used synergistically with Iboga's GDNF increasing properties. I would love to discuss this further.

Thanks for the information ppl, I was going to start a thread on contraindications. Im micro dosing at the moment but I wanted to take asgawandha at the same time and was concerned if it might be too much at the same time. Are there any issues regarding taking the two? Also I have in my posession some tho rhodiola, brahmi, gout kola. I believe you have answeRed my question already but wanted to know if I should be wary of any problems.

go slow start low and listen to your body

^ Ringing endorsement from someone I view as a true teacher.  So I guess I shall try.  Which particular Nootropic is it that you are using?  I see there are many.

wow. . ! i love you boys you are really something  <3 btw webmaster, where is the heart . . ?

before i post how amazing the week trial of noopept + root bark was i want to first clarify one important question DOES IBOGAINE INCREASE GLUTAMATE IN THE BRAIN ? IF SO - NOOPEPT + IBOGAINE MIGHT INCREASE EXCITOTOXICITY AMPA is a glutamate receptor partly responsible for excitation of neurons. Racetams (noopept) increase the action AMPA receptors, so when something binds to them, they have a greater response. Adderall (DOES IBOGAINE ?) increases available glutamate. On the one hand, you've give neurons the ability to become excited more easily, and then you increase the amount of chemical available that excites the neurons. This creates a synergy. Excitotoxicity occurs when a neuron becomes too excited, it fires too much, and is damaged because of it. The postulate here is that this synergistic effect could increase the excitation of neurons to the point where they are damaged. UPDATED ONE HOUR LATER It could be that the reported "massive potentiation" is actually excitotoxicity as many reports specifically indicate ibogaine and its possibly causing increased glutamate in the brain even more is the following study Neuroreport. 1995 Aug 21;6(12):1611-6. Excitotoxic insult due to ibogaine leads to delayed induction of neuronal NOS in Purkinje cells. O'Hearn E, Zhang P, Molliver ME.

Are you saying it doesn't sound like a good idea?  Preliminary at least, looks not good?  I haven't been inclined to venture in this way as of yet.  The person I asked for had extremely great results and said it "fixed or cured" their memory issues.  Sorry I had to ask to make sure as sometimes scientific terms cause confusion in me.  Are you going to discontinue use then?  Thanks

i just spoke with a very pro-psychotropic scientist who was involved in the govt's toxicity research on ibogaine research in the 90's. What he / she remembers is that the reasons why ibogaine was not approved for further govt research was the data showing that ibogaine alone appeared to be causing excitotoxicity in monkeys. With that in mind, and with the limited understanding i have of ibogaine / glutamate, and with the POSSIBLE increased potentiality for excitotoxicity when combining ibogaine with any racepam - i am going to take a break from microdosing the root bark until i have further information - and continue with the noopept. My decision is based on: 1. the fact that i have been microdosing root bark in cycles for almost 3 years already 2. the fact that noopept is wonderous and has lots of potential to explore (memory, focus, awareness, joining right left hemisheres, etc etc) 3. the toxicity i have always felt while microdosing which always limited me to 3 week cycles (ironically i always believed the toxicity was in liver - it now appears their is {also} neural toxicity) 4. the potential of increasing toxicity by combining the 2 I am happy that the possibility of potentiating ibogaine with noopept led me to the discovery of noopept, and an increased medical knwledge of root bark i would like to summarize that I DO NOT ADVISE TAKING EITHER BOOSTER OR FLOOD DOSES OF IBOGA / IBOGAINE WHILE USING NOOPEPT OR ANY OTHER RACEPAM interesting, back when i was doing quite a bit of flooding and boosters during a period of time when i was taking daily doses of brahmi and other natural nootrpics, i always felt that it was unsafe to take the brahmi during the flood ( or booster) or immediately before or after.

Based on this, I will remain satisfied with mainly Singado (Nicotiana Rustica drinking through nose), Rape' snuff (Nicotiana Rustica mixed with various herbs made by indigenous Pano family tribes) and natural herbs like Blue Green Algae.  Not worth the risk.  I especially find the Singado is so nice with micro dosing.  That would also explain why I can never go too long microdosing.  Thanks for all the valuable information.

Thanks JBG for the detailed info.  I just received my 10grams of Noopept from Cerebral Health.  It seems that most reports are people experiencing noticeable effects after 10-14 days.  I going to prepare them now and start tomorrow.  Not sure on dosage yet.  I will have stopped my last 3 week bark MDing schedule about 3 weeks ago.  I will make sure to not MD for the next 2 weeks at least while I experiment with this.  Very excited.  The stuff wasn't cheap.  But I cannot keep drinking these 5 hour energies to focus/motivate.

1. I trust the russians who invented it. they are very clear in their instructions 10 - 30 mg repeated 1-3x /day; ideally 60 mg max per day i started with 10 mg, then tried 20, then 30 i found for me  30 first thing in morning, 20 midday, and once in a while 10 in the late afternnon the russians are also very clear that it must be cycled max of 3 months on, then 1 month off 2. i found and felt the effects immediate on first dose so did all the people i turned on however, there was a huge shift in its affects after 2 1/2 weeks for me some people say it tapers down i found it kicked into a higher gear 3. i found studies showing that ibogaine prevents and protects from excitotoxicity 4. please note: ibogaine is an nmda antagonist and noopept is an nmda agonist enjoy

3 months Noopept, 1 month RB, hmmm First off, I am flabbergasted at the effects of today ALONE.  Mind you I was unable to measure with accuracy, but I'd like to think I dosed 3 times today with Noopept from (CH) approx. 30-60mgs total.  I will get more accurate soon.  Stupid scale is cheap.  Now, I smoke weed, you could consider me a connoisseur.  I am medically approved to do so, and I love it.  It certainly has it's demotivating effects (and I will cut back soon, I can feel it), but I think for the purpose of this experiment, I must continue to do so for at least the first two stages of reported noticed effects.  For example, I smoked some green flower today per usual, did my doses of Noopept, and felt effects that had no chance of being placebo.  I was smoking ganja and got laser sharp focus and was reading and writing faster, that doesn't typically happen when I open up my medicine jar from CO's finest.  I felt the need to smoke less weed today, which is big since I have been doing a little bit of marijuana replacement therapy for no longer being a cigarette smoker.  I was enjoying the laser focus.  No need to summon any energy or motivation to fulfill the daily mission.  It was as simple as thought, to action, with a calm and excited feeling in between.  Almost feels like it's too good to be true.  As of today, I expect the therapeutic effects to grow as mentioned below.  My only concern would be what happens when you stop.  Seems as if this is stage 2 of clinical trials.  I am on Day 1 of Blue's trials    Therapeutic effect Noopepta evident with 5-7 days of treatment, in the form of protivotrevozhnogo and tonic effects. At 7-14 days of therapy, there vegetonormalizuyuschee effect, normalization of sleep. From 14-20 days of therapy revealed a positive effect on cognitive function of the drug, the parameters of attention and memory

How do you stomach noopept? I am on about my second gram which I got from a friend who sells it in bulk. It is by far the worst taste I have ever experienced, maybe next to an ayahuasca brew I had. I haven't been taking it for a while just because of the taste. I don't really seem to get any obvious effects

Initially I would keep it under my tongue and wait till it dissolves. Then tried putting it in shakes or honey to ease the taste. Now I just swallow and drink water. Usually I pinch a bit, probably around 200mg

No, this is not good.  The daily max is 60 mgs with Noopept.  You can over do it with this nootropic... Be careful axl.  1 gram of Noopept should last you for several weeks. The effects accumulate.    You may just not groove with this nootropic right now.