Comparisons between Iboga root bark, TA and Ibogaine

Great post puma, you're a welcome addition to the forum. Well written and well thought out. I have yet to do any isolated ibogaine hcl, having only done TA's ('professional' and ones I have made from RB) and on two occasions eaten a pretty large amount of Wood. That's the hard trip right there, just eating it is an ordeal. Once - the first time I flooded with wood - I actually got 30g in, but the last ten did not stay in long enough for full absorption.  Plus, I ground it to a fine talc powder consistency and mixed it with honey to gag it down. In retrospect that only made a sticky mess of things and I think all the sugar contributed to the difficulty keeping it in. Second try with bark I was shooting for 30 but only got to 24, and that was barely doable. After the first ten I was having a hard time walking or even standing...the Wood is hardcore. I'll take bark again but probably not in flood amounts. I feel like I have paid my dues lol. I would very much like to try ibogaine some day, and I enjoy making extracts from root bark. GD is pretty handy with extractions too - he likes to take it down further than I do, as far as purification. I only use acetic acid (white vinegar) and shoot for extracting 50g's of wood at a time. This works like a charm, though some people are sensitive to highly acidified end product, it did not bother me in the least. My best experience to date was my first one where I did roughly 12g of a TA I made using the vinegar tek....actually it may have been more than that, but whatever the amount of extract was it equated to 25g of bark. It was very moving and very educational. I'm rambling, thanks for the great post.

Hi charlot, Would you say that the Ibogaine experience is the safest? If say someone came to you and said " i want a healing experience on iboga, do i take root bark, TA, or ibogaine?" - would ibogaine be the safest because its pure? And the least body load?  I read a few trip reports on ibogaine HCL and they said it was less spiritual and more emotional, and focused more on emotional healing. Would you say the same? Thanks, CL.

Thanks brightwillow for the good vibes and the reflection.  crazylife - I know of a South African Iboga(ine) treatment provider and Bwiti initiate, and he is of the opinion that pure Ibogaine is safer, and this was also stated somewhere on www.myeboga.com. Another treatment provider in the UK who was there for initiation is also of the opinion that pure Ibogaine washes through one's system much faster than the full alkaloid spectrum, so the healing afterglow period is reduced. For me, pure Ibogaine definitely felt easier on the body in some respects, I was definitely less dizzy than on the wood, and it felt smoother on my body. If anything though it seemed as hard or harder on me psychologically. But yes I did find the Ibogaine to be less spiritual and more emotionally focussed. This South African treatment provider is of the opinion it is great for healing and working on specific issues as it is straight to the point. For me personally, I wouldn't seek pure Ibogaine again, I would make my own TA to flood with, I think the other alkaloids may be beneficial to have in the mix.

Also consider that all TA's are not the same. I suspect that different batches of bark have different ratios of alkaloids. Voacangine, a minor but present alkaloid in iboga, is often reported as being very unpleasant in high doses (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=70018). I have tasted some bark that seemed quite perfect as it was... non offensive taste, and really clearheaded effects. There is a pretty well studied method of separating the ibogaine and some ibogaline from the other alkaloids by dissolving the PTA freebase in acetone and dripping strong hcl water till no more ibogaine/ibogaline precipitates. It would be interesting to correlate different effects with different alkaloids.

Thanks for the info Banocopuma, appreciated.

I've always wondered this and think now, to the light of your own experience and price comparaison that a home extracted rootbark TA would be the way to go for me. Have you did your three sessions with Iboga healing circle ? Good to see you around !

making your own ta is the way to go .

Bancopuma thanks for the report, do you mind if I quote your experience (without mentioning handle and forum link).  I'd like to share this info with others. greywolf, sounds like it's the most economical.  I was thinking of getting 5gr of TA from IW which would cost me ~$350...roughly how much of RB would be needed to make a TA extract...and cost.  I like the idea of combining it with acid, that's the first combo I've heard of. thanks, lynnet

I definitely agree that different batches of root bark will vary in both potency and proportions of the alkaloids they contain. But yes I think a home extracted TA might be the best and most sure fire way to go for a flood dose session. This is quite a cost effective way to go as well compared to buying one's own TA or Ibogaine. It depends on the quality of the root bark, but say we want to obtain 25g of pre powdered root bark to perform an alkaloid extraction on. From a well known Dutch ethnobotanical vendor this will cost $104.00. A little more to cover postage costs and the chemicals you'll need and you're all good to go. The first two sessions I experienced with a 'healer' on hand (diplomatic relations have since ceased) and the third time I took the Ibogaine on my own with a family member on hand if needed. skinny please use this info how you see fit, but bear in mind these are just my one time personal observations so should maybe be taken with a pinch of salt.

Ha well I googled '1g Ibogaine hcl + 100 TPA extract' and the first link was the DMT-Nexus crosspost.   I just didn't want to be exploitative. thanks, lynnet