hi gonna try to keep it short

HooooLordy, First, did you notice the blinking vendor links on the front page of this site? Maybe check a couple out. I know admin wouldn't let then be there if they weren't good resources. Read everything on this site, and ask questions about it. Use the search function here, too. Read everything on the ibogaine dossier, including the treatment manual, which is slightly outdated, but a good place to start. Read everything on the mindvox site (except maybe the forum, lol). Have a very healthy heart. Have a healthy liver. Follow all preparation recommendations. Have someone near you who can either asses a medical emergency and perform necessary measures, or is willing to call '911' for you. This person ideally will be familiar with high dose psychedelic therapy, and will have studied at least as much about ibo as you have. I took my dose with an inexperienced sitter, and I will never do that again. Welcome, let us know how it goes. CP

word ! (hola CP !!!)

thanks for the hints. not to be a square but i thought they dont send it to USA from Europe or Canada?? whats  a player price of iboga for someone thats 168 pounds. That package gets intercepted Ouch! that would be expensive. are most of you guys in Britain?

I have to second pretty much everything Charley said - I couldn't have put it better myself. Most of us are in the US.. But as far as the questions you're getting at - those are better asked via PM's and e-mails. Since Ibogaine is unforunately (and ridiculously) illegal in the US, one thing we don't allow here on the open board is anything about how/where to get it - as we do not and can not condone the breaking of any law. But stick around.. keep asking questions (and read read read), and maybe start shooting out some private messages regarding your other questions.  When the timing is right, Iboga has a weird way of pointing you in the right direction somehow.

so do you think its worth it to take it to reset something at 115 days? or is more for reseting people that got the dope still heavy in the system? I dont know anyone still in bed like me 3 months plus, addiction psychiatrist trying to give anti depressants, i cant have my junk disabled, and gain weight. that was kinda graffic my fault, im delirious being in my room like its solitairy confinment, the only brain jubilation is food, other than than nothing gets me outta bed thnks

a reset is good for all .

Reset, yes, yes. You actually now have a more vicious and tenacious dope in your system. I would switch to a short acting opiate for 3 weeks before ibo. Please be at least a week clear of your antidepressants before considering iboga. Most antidepressants one needs to come down slowly. They are addicting and there are withdrawals, and they don't mix well with ibo. Take your time, read, ask questions (like you're doing), prepare. This is a life changing experience and worth all the time, effort and money you will put into it. CP

apologies for the short post, but i have to work in a few hours and have not yet slept... (long days making music in my off time) but... anti-depressants (SSRI's/SNRI's)  + Iboga = possible death Do NOT take Iboga with any kind of SSRI in your system.. ibogaine also affects serotonin in a very strong way.. do NOT take ibogaine with any kind of anti-depressant in your system, that, unfortunately for many, is an absolute no-no

Hi farwander, It seems like your isolating yourself which makes things worse, I do the same thing and it is a good thing someone called it to my attention.  It may be a good idea to go to an NA meeting if you have nothing better to do.  It will get you out of the house, get a little exercise walking maybe, maybe stop at a restaurant and get something.  I know you feel bad but you have been clean from Sub for 4 months if I remember correctly, that's pretty good for all that time you did not relapse.  Going through the depression of Sub can be very for a friend of mine had depression after detoxing from Sub and it lasted for 4 months they retreated with Ibo and lived happily ever after.  I think a second treatment with Ibo would do ya good of course I do not know all your circumstances.  Anyway I wish you the best and hope you can hang on but I hate to see you in such discomfort.  Oh and like that one fellow said you must quit the SSRI/NI for it can be a very big deal. Just do the best ya can,  cinderpath

Not much to add other than a welcome and encouragement to heed the advice these other members have suggested...you're here - that's a big step in itself, maybe bigger than you know right now. As was stated earlier, and this is absolutely true - iboga will often meet us halfway, perhaps this will be true for you as well. Just keep digging and asking questions, if this is right for you it'll happen. Good to have you aboard, Cal

thanks guys, well im not totally clean, i was for 2 months, going to gym 4 times a week, than no results caught to me, its draining, anyways i started doing 10/325 every fri and/or sat just to have sanity, and than 3 times including this sunday, i really fckd up and went to the hood and did a bag. i swear i slept almost 36 hours, not used to the dope, just came out of a coma, i mean if i can i get this iboga business, where do i get a sitter? or can a friend be trained in few days? thx

If you stick around here, and keep posting and reading up, I wouldn't be surprised if a sitter finds you..  But let me emphasize again how important it is to know what you're getting into.. Iboga is BIG medicine.  You don't just take it and get fixed, and it's usually not a very pleasant experience.  So keep reading and learning as much as you can about it while you're in the process of searching for it, and a sitter - that's what I did. If you have any close friends that have experience with psychedelics, that's where to start in looking for a sitter.  It's highly recommended that a sitter have personal experience with psychedelics, and at least a bit of medical know-how (like knowing CPR and such). Before my flood I tried and tried to find a friend to sit with me that had the experience and knowledge, but the timing just wasn't right.. So I ended up asking a kind friend who didn't have any experience with psychedelics, but had seen me tripping before several times.. That was about as close as I got. But we spent several days together beforehand going over the process, learning more about Iboga, and trying to anticipate how she would handle any emergency situations should they arise. During the experience she was wonderful, and I was lucky to find her - but I still had a tint of social anxiety to it, because I just knew that she had NO idea what i was going through.. But she did have enough medical training to take my blood pressure throughout the experience, and check on and comfort me.  It worked out well for me. So, again, take your time with this.  You're either going to want to find someone who knows what they're doing, or who you have a lot of trust in - or preferably both. Stick around friend. <3

yeah I figured it was pretty serious, but I dont got that much to lose anyways. its groundhog day, the movie here everyday.  but that doesnt mean Im gonna a fool about it. i will try to compromise as little as possible. I done grew some mushrooms in the summers minus this summer cause i was sick, but im not into tripping more than 2 grams, not my thing really, but i did it once a while cause of spiritual experience. so i can see Iboga working for me. I think I can find someone for a sitter, now for someone like me Is hcl or Ta more appropriate? thx

Switch to a short acting opiate for 3 weeks. Get off the antidepressants slowly. Do these things then check your heart with an ekg. Did you know sub affects the heart? Did you know it prolongs QT intervals? Did you know ibogaine prolongs QT intervals? Prolonged QT intervals, too prolonged, means your heart will stop working. That means you die. Please be safe. You would be surprised how many people want you to experience this, and to grow, and to be free. Be ready. Learn all you can. I want to go on record saying the things you are now ingesting when mixed with iboga can cause serious physical consequences. I don't care if this sounds sensationalist and scary. I want you to live, in every sense of the word. I know the desperation you feel. I know you would certainly take ibo right now if it was in your hand. Take precautions. If you are going to do this, give it every chance to be the best and brightest experience possible. Get off sub for three weeks even if it means dope for three weeks, and get off antidepressants. Follow a modified diet for a week before. Take recommended supplements a week before. Live through this. And come back to tell us what it was like. You are not a bunch of words on a screen. Neither am I. No-one here is. We are real people. You are being given solid advice from the heart. CP

Charley - At first I thought he was still taking sub too, but upon re-reading it looks to me like he said he's NOT on suboxone anymore, been off for over 100 some days.. He said he's only taking hydrocodone every now and then to be able to go out and socialize. So switching to SAO's should be a non-issue. But 662 - What Charley is saying about these things regarding the QT interval, and not being on anti-depressants is completely accurate.  Ibogaine, when mixed with the wrong kind of stuff, can easily kill someone.  If you're able to get an EKG and blood tests/liver panel beforehand, you'll definitely want to do that - it's highly recommended. And you won't want to be taking any anti-depressants (SSRI's or SNRI's), but you should wean off of them carefully, as they can give withdrawals of their own (that are pretty nasty for some). As for the HCL/TA question.. That's kind of up to you.. Personally, I'd say either would probably work well for you -- this is the kind of area where it's good to ask, but even better for you to start reading and figure that part out for yourself. The HCL, for most, will usually have less side effects, and is often better for those in acute withdrawal - as you can take larger doses with less side effects.  But many prefer the TA because it contains a wider spectrum of active alkaloids from the plant.  Maybe others will weigh in with their opinions regarding that question - but please take the time to start reading and learning yourself, as much as you possibly can.  I cannot state enough how important that is. But of course, never be afraid to ask us any questions you might have. I'm very happy to help, but every now and then I like to remind people that I'm not a doctor.  Everything I'm telling you is simply my personal opinion, based off of my own research and experiences.  When it comes right down to it, these decisions will be up to you - so get all the information you can; that way you can make the best possible informed decision. <3

that was vodka talking another good example of things I do to feel normal, and than overdo it.

Russia ? where ?

st petersburg.  does anyone have recommendations on the dose size of hcl? Im 166-168 pounds. thx

Again, 662.. This is why I keep saying "read, read, read"... This is the kind of thing you really need to decide for yourself. Have you done much research on iboga on your own yet?  Do you understand how big and serious this medicine is? I would hope that if you're at a point where you're trying to decide how much to take... that you would know that people usually recommend a dose between 15 and 22 mg/kg.. Depending on the situation.. More for acute withdrawals (and sometimes hard-heads, and those more experienced) - but always when in a healthy condition. Anyway, I'm not trying to be rude... Just want to make clear that it seems to me that you haven't yet been reading/researching enough to make a well-informed decision about this medicine yet. But I could be wrong, and either way, to answer your question... From what i have been gathering from your posts - in post-acute buprenorphine withdrawal, after about 4 months with no active suboxone in your system, and occasional SAO use.. I would say you'd want to shoot for somewhere between 15 and 18 mg/kg.. which for you, would be in the area of 1125mg and 1350mg, give or take 100mg... But please.. Do your own reading and research.. For some, this could be a life or death decision - and I'm still getting a strong feeling that you have yet to do the appropriate research to make a decision with the gravity that one like this carries. Please, keep checking in - and let us know how you're doing, but continue to read here, and don't rush into anything too quickly. All the love in the world, - me

totally I see, I been reading but not enough, thas true. I found the iboga protocol on this site so will read that, and if HCL on average last 20 some months compared to 2months (TA) i better do HCL to play it safe. Ok will start  reading meticilously, found a 50mg tramedol, should give me little energy to read. thanks

i should be good with 1.5hcl and 2g of the TA in sometime, its official.  i better start reading for real now. dont want to be a statistic. i wonder how I can check my liver and heart on a budget

Go to the ER and don't pay 'em. Great post Charley... Keep communicating 662, and keep your focus on safety, you'll do fine

I wonder what happened to the canadian guy that almost died in the Im dangerous with love documentary. So Im doing more and more reading here and other places. Any advice how I can get an experienced sitter.

i wonder how many h heads that did iboga also stopped their drinking. but than again you gots to be eurotrash to be a drunk and a opiatehead

Hi 66, That's a hell of a lot for a first timer.  I did 1.5 HCL and it was plenty, very plenty and your a little lighter than me.  I can not offer suggestions or say if it were me I would do the 1.5 HCL and save the rest for boosters.  But you should not need boosters for until after a week or two for I was buzzzzed for 10 days or more.  I know that you feel and need a reset and you can do it but you don't want to take a Very large dose specially with an inexperienced sitter. Hoped I helped,  cinderpath

Im sorry i didnt clearify. im about to obtain 1.5hcl, that was the package. but i plan to consume like 1.2ish, still reading) Gonna see the doctor for poor to do an EKG, but still dont know about the sitter thing, not like there are post on craigslist with people offering such services, yeah thats a tough one

Hi there 662...I'm wondering, since you've been off the sub for 4 months now and are not actively using anything else, by the way you've described how you're feeling with the lethargy & fatigue, not wanting to get out of bed....well that tells me you're experiencing a nasty case of PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome) which is quite common after a sub detox. Perhaps you don't need a full Iboga flood at this point. Just microdosing with some root bark has helped a lot of people get through PAWS a lot faster & easier. And if that isn't enough after a few weeks or so, you could always go for a flood dose later. Just a thought....I know how how debilitating PAWS can be & I hope you feel better, a LOT better very soon! ( you can purchase root bark in capsules from one of the vendors here I believe.)  )

thats very intersting thought sassyfras. however i should be getting the hcl in about 7 to 9 days. Yes, the paws are debilitating for sure, i gained 10 pounds laying around, its wack. Maybe someone has advice on perhaps a smaller dose I can do thats still efficient; would 1 gram work for me?(hcl) When I was 16 eating some mushrooms in the woods was a treat. But at 32 tripping on something shitload stronger and for 8 hours, Im petrafied, not of tripping so much but of the nighmare scenarios, its just I already feel crazy fragile without opiates, but than again I havent read anyone having a bad trip per se.

Yeah, 662, I know all too well how fragile PAWS can leave people feeling....a brain which has been saturated with opiates/opioids can feel very vulnerable for a long time after detoxing. You could search this forum for different ways some people have used low doses of root bark if you'd like to look into this idea a bit more.....doing so would also give you a better sense of Iboga & how your body/mind responds to it. A good friend of mine had been clean for a couple of months but was still feeling severe PAWS so she decided to try doing some low doses of root bark. She took about 700 - 1,000mg RB for 3 or 4 days in a row & then took a few days off.( She was also taking amino acids ( protein shakes), a good multi vit/min, fish oil & lots of vit. C.) She said that she could really feel herself beginning to heal with the root bark regimen, her energy came back quickly & her mind cleared up & the depression disappeared too. Don't get me wrong...I think a full flood is an invaluable experience & I'm certainly not trying to talk you out of that! But a flood is very taxing on the body and because you are still feeling quite weak & fragile, I thought it might be better for you to build up your strength a bit more first )

hmm, well Im not that weak, Im lethargic more like it, I did make to the gym 2days in a row, I been better, but to work 8 hours and deal with people that be very hardcore. i could eat some hydrocodeine for few days before the fllood so that way im not that tired. so than I should do 15mg/kilo? That Goatboy story in Peru made me reconsider the dose)) I forgot to mention that my eyes water like crazy in the morning and when im in bed at night

I get this vibe like old heads on here think I might check out on iboga next. lots of people said ask questions and now im lost. thats alright I still got around 10 days

Hi 66, Since your not 'really' using you should get some benefit from 15mg/kg.  I would not go over 17 but that is just me.  I know from my last detox that above 17 will just make the comedown harder.  If 17mg/kg resets your receptors and you change you eating habit and try and change you life for the better why take more?  I would say go with the 15mg/kg of course everyone is different. Best of luck,  cinderpath

fuck it, i do 1.3 cause its 17. 17 times my weigt is 75 and times 17 is 1275, im not gonna be a bitch about it, this site is so weird, some people just like write you,some all pr. but its all good i love you all, my package package passed the customs

Hi 66, Yeah, 17 would be a good dose, I think it will work fine.  I always mention it to people that if your hooked on cigs it may be a good time to say good by if you have tried quitting before.  Also, let us know if your eating habits change for that's a good sign. Best,  cinderpath

well the shipment has  arrived. i fck up this weekend went to the hood to flip some subs, couldnt find any did a bag, than did same next day, went to bed on sun 1o am woke up monday 10 am, insane , i slept for 24 hours. i only did a bag a day, so two bags total, i never banged, i inhaled. but god damn, the 4 months is like a game of dominoes, threw it all away, its one thing to slip and eat a 10/325, but dope, and two days in row, yeah im a fool. anyways, im still not sure about sitter, and punk ass doctror refused to do EKG. i shouldnt of told him its for iboga treatment, but it was a poor mans doctor, he wont just do EKG for no explantion, he refunded me the 30 bucks and walked out on my ass. i mean my dad says im healthy heart wise, i mean i really am, i smoke, but i eat salads and try to eat healthy, so anyone want to give me the essentials before i do this fri night. should i start eating super healthy, i was given the rules when on the stuff, thanks to  committed people on here. but few days before anyone?

ok its going down this saturday.

OK I'm alive. yeah untrained sitter is a buzz kill. he tried.  Im skeptical  when people talk about going to hell. but if there is hell i know exactly what it looks. I done covered all the main intersections. There are no shortcuts there either. TA might be more appropriate for me, cause I never came that close to being in a nut house.

Wow...glad you're among the living. Care to elaborate on some details when you get grounded? Welcome back!

I sure will when Im grounded, I took it 49 hours ago. I still got ringing in the ears, and what bothers me is Im all exhausted like and lazy.  Maybe Ill have energy to get out of bed tomorrow night.

Yeah, don't expect to jump right out of bed after a flood dose.  It'll probably be a week before you feel like trying to get moving and doing much.  However, it will give you a boost in the coming weeks, and you should use that time to force yourself into the new habits you want to stick.  A good exercise routine, and some healthy food, are great first steps.  Take hot baths, and eat spicy foods, if they don't disagree with your system.  These things help boost natural endorphins and enkephalins, so your body will start producing it's own, just like exercise does.  This will give you the energy and will to get up and get out of bed.  Iboga can work miracles but it doesn't happen overnight, it's a process, and what it has shown me is that it is possible to do things, it does not make you do them, as that is up to your own determination.  You are in control of your life, so it is up to you to make it how you want it, iboga is just a tool that makes it easier.  Good luck!!

but i feel like Im in withdrawls, Im anxious and body is shaky, almost worse than i was before the ibogaine trip.   I also made a big mistake, I didnt know tripping balls really meant losing your mind for 4 hours. I didnt actually think there was any drug that could make me lose control like that, I was talking out loud like a nut. Anyways at 2pm sat I woke up after being at strip clubs and doing a bag of smack cause fridays are fuck up days for me, well I thought I was way to weak to do iboga, and wasnt even sure if I would do it sat. I took a 10/325 to get composure, than I drank 2 rolling rocks at like 7pm. at 815 I ate sample dose. and I could barely walk from .2mg. I was petrafied to eat the other 1 gram. I think that 10/325 almost killed my mf ass. I was going in and out of my sanity, my legs were walking while I was in bed.

Yeah, I don't wanna sound harsh or mean (though I feel I must give you the COLD, HARD truth), but taking opiates with iboga is often how people wind up dead.  I mean, the iboga fills the receptors that when empty, are the cause of your withdrawal.  Iboga will potentiate opiates, and can cause overdose when used together with an opiate  You need to just toughen up.  Read about GDNF and ibogaine (google) and maybe the info on http://ibogaine.desk.nl to see what it is actually doing to your brain.  BTW, alcohol interferes with the action of GDNF, and needs to be stopped, if you want the lasting benefits.  You haven't even given it a few days to see how it goes, and you are reverting to your old ways without giving iboga a chance.  I understand that some people get off without any withdrawal, but in general, most of us just get a discount on the pain, and that is all you can really ask for. You aren't gonna get it any easier than iboga, I have done nearly every clinical detox program available, and iboga is by far the easiest and most humane.  As stated many times before, iboga is a heavy duty trip, and it is gonna take a few weeks to start feeling better, but that only works if you decide you REALLY want to be clean and suffer through a bit of withdrawal..  NO EXCUSES.  I have been through opiate detox probably 12-13  times, and I can tell you iboga gives a huge discount on opiate withdrawal, but it may not remove it all, and it takes weeks before your body repairs itself and you start to feel better.  The longer you continue to make excuses for why you can't do it, the longer your misery will last, it's as simple as that. You know what they say...  Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink!  This is about learning to take control of your mind and body and doing what it takes to reach your goal.  Sometimes it is gonna take some pain and hard work, but anything worth doing usually does.  Hell, I puked on and off for 18 hours the first time I kicked methadone with iboga.  I felt pretty crappy for a couple weeks, but had I done cold turkey, it would have been harder and longer.  I know because I have done so many different detoxes.  I had to decide I didn't just waste all that money on this treatment for nothing, and finally realized I was gonna do it regardless of how tough it was.  That is what iboga did for me.  It does store in your fat cells, and is released over the next days to weeks, even to months.  Each day gets easier, the longer you stay away from opiates, but you still have some waves come through where you are just gonna feel crappy.  My stomach would ache every time I rode by the methadone clinic, or when I would see a spoon.  I know this is probably not what you want to hear right now, and the iboga does get one a good bit frazzled, but if you have done cold turkey for any period of time, you should definitely see how many of your normal symptoms are gone.  You should see how much better you feel, instead of dwelling on any little symptom.  Your brain is trying to tell you that you can't do it, you are looking for any excuse to use, when in reality, probably 70% of what you are thinking is what you programmed your brain to do, when you started becoming an addict.  That is the addict mind, and you can control it, you are just choosing not to.  It is very common in people who are used to an easy fix to feel okay.  "Oh crap, I don't feel all better, I should go find something, so I can just get some sleep/relief.."  I say fuck sleeping!  Or, "Oh my legs ache, my body aches, I have some sniffles, I need just a little something to make it better.."  I say focus on something else, and you can achieve your goal.  You are just like the people on that obesity reality show, the fat loser or whatever it's called.  "I can't do this, blah blah blah..."  When they are finally pushed, they push themselves, and the weight starts to come off.  Right now you have stinkin' thinkin'.  Until you change your thought patterns, you are going to continue to give in.  Unfortunately, none of us can really be there to push you, or hold your hand through this.  If you were in prison, you would have to do it, and you would.  Small doses of iboga can now help you battle symptoms, if you still have some left, and you don't need to worry, eating a hundred or two milligrams isn't going to send you back into a heavy trip.  Now is the time to use whatever you have left, split up over the next days to weeks, and to take small doses to quell off any minor withdrawal.  Believe me, I have detoxed with iboga through 3 floods, and a couple low dose sessions over a few days.  It actually is rather easy.  I don't even worry about opiate addiction anymore..  When I get an injury, if I am in true physical pain, I take an opiate, and when my broken bones heal, I just take some iboga and stop the opiates.  I have gained full control over that aspect of my life, and I just do it.  The hardest time was my first, and since then, it has been pretty much a cake walk. So now you can be a baby, and whine this is too hard, and you can stay an addict, or you can man up and do what you set out to do.  The choice is yours! Good luck to you, you can do it, if you'll only believe you can! PS.  I am sorry for sounding harsh, but it is the truth, and if you do actually decide you want to be free, you will soon see it is as I said.  I really do hope the best for you, and I know you can do it, you just have to believe in yourself, and want to do it badly enough. One more thing I would like to add, and I know people here mean well, but doing low doses of iboga is fine and dandy for sensitive people, and it often is enough, but when I did it my first time, I ate 5 large capsules of iboga TA (not OO but the large ones), that looked pretty crystally.  It was said to be 5 grams of iboga TA, and even at 60% pure, at my weight of probably around 140 lbs at that time, that would mean I did about 47 mgs/kg.

i took the 10mg/325 at4pm. i didt eat iboga sample until about 4 and 1/2 hour later. and the beers i had before iboga, have not had a drink since the trip. its been about 72hours. Well thanks for the input GD, I figured I would have no WDs since for the last 4 and 1/2 months I only used once a week if that, but it is what it is, and thats that. I mean Im about to hit the gym for the sweat room, thats progress for the 72 hour mark. Discount to WD that sounds good, I have a feeling that 10/325 is what made my trip excessively extreme, it was just nasty and extreme hallucinations where I would almost lose my understanding that Im in a real world, and every time I would realize this, i would freak out and it would pinch my heart like when someone runs up at you and say boo and catches you off guard, this heart pinching happened like 40 times over the 4 hour peak hours. I dont know if my mind would of ended up in the trip would I be unconscious but it was extreme as fuck. I was possessed almost. My grandpa died at 59 of a heart attack. and during the trip I was convinced that I would be dead the next day, like totally convinced, i cant describe it, yeah Im a fool, but i had no f. clue what this strange substance is capable of.

Yeah, doing your research is very important, and those with heart trouble, diagnosed or not, have actually died.  If heart concerns are there at all, almost any actual clinic that performs ibogaine treatments, requires an EKG/ECG, because of the QT wave interval prolongation.  Most otherwise healthy people have no trouble, but should there be any concern for heart trouble, one may wish to have everything checked, and/or go to a proper medically trained clinic for ibogaine treatment.  If you search for the ibogaine conference on this forum Dr. Jeff Kamlet gives a bunch of good info about medical treatment for addiction with ibogaine, and it contains much of the information about the heart and ibogaine related complications.  Since you were on such a low and spaced out dose, you may not need to do a full  iboga flood, for there to be benefits.  Alcohol and opiates should definitely be far away enough from an ibogaine treatment, that they are out of the system, and you should definitely be starting withdrawal from opiates, when you take the iboga.  I think that you have a pretty decent mindset, and that the working out is definitely a good start.  Just keep at it, and from my past experience, it usually takes a good steady routine about two months to 90 days, before you really start to settle in and get the endorphin rush from the work out.  If you can tough it out, and stick to it, away from the hydrocodone, you should start to feel much better.

thanks for the structure and other thoughts GD, and the other fellas that gave me some guidance as well.  Because when you dont have insurance experimenting is dangerous. I feel like I almost brought this site down, well its my job now to stress to people not mix even minimum opiates.  Now I believe Michelle told me to eat 400mg of TA on the 7th day.. I dont want to do it earlier, my ears still buzzing, when is that going away? At least the flashing lights are gone. About 11 hours after consumption I was gonna go and bitch out this dude outside for running his motorcycle for one hour, but than I realized that I was hearing shit. oops

LMAO, yeah, I kinda like the buzz..  I have run around the house checking heater vents and the fridge and stuff, only to realize it's in my head.  Sounds like oingyoingyoingyoingyoingy, really fast...  It should be gone pretty soon.  With these things, depending on dose and your own metabolism, it can vary, but mine usually goes away after a day or two.  It sounds like you may be a bit sensitive, but I am not sure how much you took altogether.  I am thinking within another day or so, you should be good.

Yeah Im pretty sensitive, I took about 1.2 at 75 kilos. The sound is still in the head, and the smells; I mean those broads werent lying I really am a dog, I smell peoples nasty cooking from a different floor, and I never ever ever had my armpits smell so raw before. But I guess thats what happens when you trip and you are absolutely convinced youre gonna die the next day. I think the ibogas elements work like this - you dont have craving because youre happy to be alive. Real interesting thing happened yesterday, I went to the west side of Chicago, straight slums. I have been there 200 times over the last 5 years. I went there to get subs to flip, since I havent been working. Whites dont like going there. Anyways, I had to wait 20 minutes for the non punctual lady, and I was where there is smack on every other block. I was gonna get half of 10/325 for 2 bucks. But waiting for the lady I bought a heineken and started drinking that, I had no craving for the smack, when I got the strips, i asked her if she brought me the 5mg, she said no, but she can run upstairs, I told her just fuck it. thats my destiny, so didnt do no opiates, one beer or 2 i guess aint shit. I think it was a great comprimise, thats the 1st time out of 200 where I didnt buy a bag while down there. I mean its a must (a bag) when you are white and down there, but I was strictly business. And I aint fucking with the strips, its like I dont have cravings, but I wish I could buy energy, its day 5 and I just want to do stuff, its hard enough to deal with the world without opiates, but being tired its hard to lead an active lifestyle.

You have to push yourself to do regular exercise, and you will get more energy.  This is one of the hardest things to do, but if you do a regular work out routine for a month or two, you will notice your energy increasing.  I am proud of you for not using opiates, but alcohol will stop some of the ibogas actions, so that should be left alone for a bit.  You are doing pretty well, so keep up the good work.

thanks i needed that encouragement. im taking b6 and b12 and magnesium maybe that will help. Im pretty obnoxious sober, well not really, im just so not used to talking to people without opiates. and hanging out with friends sober still doesnt make sense, Im about to recruit me a nice euro girl and maybe that will keep me busy, but i have to look for a job soon here, I guess I got to do the biking at the gym daily, I wonder if the 5-htp will help me. Im so manic I always need to be into something, used to booze and sniff to control this anxiety now i m trying to be low key, I am taking xanax .5 mg a day roughly so it will help me from being manic. will keep trying.

Hi farwander, Quitting addiction is a rough job but so necessary.  Besides quitting opiates you must change your life and lifestyle.  You must quit hanging with your drinking buddies and should not even go in a bar. I have found that the most successful people not only quit drugs but changed their whole life around. Best,   cinderpath

Thats well said. I think Im just manic. been experimenting with xanax, just so Im not restless, I always feel like I need to get into something, not just girls obviously. Facts: I dont drink hard liquor nor do I do smack. but i still f. around with beer and very minimum hydrocodeine=5mg. The beer I dont give a fuck about cause in my country a month ago they finally reclassified up to 10% beers from food to alcohol. So its wack I know. I got to stop the opiates, been going to gym, thanks to the advice here I decided to do 400 miles in a week on a bike in the gym The 400mg of TA is hard to ignore, ate it an hour ago. Well chiller that .2 of that HCL. watching nazi collaborators, hot shit, but i dont know what effects  that has with iboga. maybe beneficial with my status

662, take all of Gratefuldad's advice & do everything he says if you want to stay clean and get through this. There's no half-assing it.  I did an iboga detox for long term painkiller/heroin/suboxone usage. After my flood the first month really sucked, the 2nd month was slightly better but still sucked.  So I sucked it up, stuck it out & its now been over 70 days since detox, I'm happy and I feel good, my body is still catching up, I'm a little weak etc. But not bad at all.  I sleep through the night every night now without taking anything but natural sleep aids(melatonin, chamomille, valerian etc)its awesome. You have to really want it bad to stay clean,  personally I have learned to fear opiates, especially heroin.  I just can't take them recreationally anymore, not even weaker opiates unless in the future its truly neccessary for real pain as Grateful dad said.  I have accepted this & life is much better without them.  Also I should mention that I go to heroin anonymous meeting regulary & that has been a huge help getting through this, having others who can relate to talk to is great.  I took the advice of others and made these changes in my life instead of trying to do it "my way" because everytime I tried to do it my way in the past I failed.

I should an update, I hate reading forum where someone was about to do some iboga or some other form of detox, than did it but never updated the most important thing: the results! It has been 5 weeks since I did Iboga HCL. I been to Heroin Central 5 times way in the city, however I was there for some side hustle activity, and to me its a miracle but I never did dope while I was there 5 times. However I did eat some 15-20mg of Vicodin. And fri or sat only, so i don't care what anyone says that's improvement god damn it. Far as drinking, hard liquor is out the game, and even beer solo is no longer committed. When I am in a social setting, I drink beer.  So not bad at all, I did booster one time. I would do it more, but my ears ringing steady to this day, I hear and smell everything and that's not a good thing when you live in apt building where foreigners cook weird shit that smells heavy. Strong sense of sound has been a problem in my family, everyone is irritated by sounds, so know I hear better, I had to buy a white noise machine. Saw a shrink about this ringing in my head after iboga, she gave me some shit that made me drowsy. I also now take Wellbutrin so I can bust a nut, delayed ejaculation is not cool, works great. I am getting better, need to stop f. around with 10mg pills on fri and sat, cause i be tired on sun and Monday, and today is Tues and Im still not 100. Thanks to everyone for their support, it helped all around.

Happy to hear you are doing better, but don't be afraid to do a booster if you want to go even further.  Make sure you aren't on the wellbutrin if you do, though.  It is definitely a process, so never give up and don't get discouraged.  Best wishes to you and your future!

thanks for advice, i would love to do another booster, but since the buzzing started in my ears when i iboga kicked in it never went away, I dont know how to handle it, I had management fix hallway door on 2 floor i live on 3rd. to much hearing going on, but thats fine, but the constant ringing really sucks! and it prevents me from boosting, the TA was fun I d love it again, but i cant have this ringing get worse

guys, Im sorry for not updating you, I feel like I used you guys but i just been busy, I worked for  almost 6 months now, its longest I ever worked, thanks guys and thanks Iboga, i was tired for months a twork, I use smack 1 otime  month, and pop perks 1-2 a day last few weeks, but at least i work now, I will tell you guys in detali later,  but tomorrow I want to cure my friend he doesnt sniff, he bangs, he weighs 155,  i took 1.2 HCI, now I have .2 for him, I feel he should take 1mg or .9, HOWEVER i need your guys help, I have .2 and i need someone to help me with math, cause I got that midgrade stuff forgot what its called, but how do I measure it so it will be equavelent to .8 of the HCI? thank you guys, I am grateful its just i didnt write cause Im not social off opiates, today I sniffed dope cause I m with the guy Im gonna cure tmrw, iss12 hours ok? he does bang so if he banged at 1 am, is 1pm next day safe? thanks

if my friend banged dope is 12 hours enough before iboga?? or       18 is better to play it safe?? thanks guys

That would be okay, but 18 hours wouldn't hurt.  A test dose will help you check for any negative reactions, and will also start removing minor withdrawal symptoms, until they take a full dose and let it kick in.