Iboga is in cahoots with Ayahuasca

Interesting insight! Did you do a "dieta" or anything like that to prepare yourself for the ayahuasca session, IP? And, do you think we should learn more about the traditional ways of using these powerful entheogens....or, should we perhaps be creating more contemporary rituals in keeping with the current need for global as well as individual healing? Just a thought I had after reading your post...

Can you share more about set, setting, and what preparation you took? As I mentioned in another thread, a syrian rue/mimosa hostilis preparation is a good cheap way to rejuvenate your body, mind, soul.   I can't spend $400 for TA but I can take about $50 of plant material and boil up a brew in a day.  I didn't get any psychoactive effects with caapi vine and viridis leaf, I don't know why, but I did puke and get flushed out of my rear end.  The mimosa seemed easier to boil and it had good strong effect at the 10 gram dose.  I took it over a period of four days and the last day was developing tolerance to higher doses.  Im thinking to take a week break and see if I can break through higher.  I am amazed how much healing this feels.  I've been queueing up ambient music and spending a night rolled up in my blanket seeing shiny objects and dream like images.  It stimulated my nasal passages, snot flowed out after sneezing many times.  It made me feel lots of love from universe and I was vocalizing 'uhhhhhhhhhh' understanding of how things are and the mystery of spirit things.  I didn't get as deep as I wanted but I definitely got healing effects on my mind and emotions.  Todo tiene su final.  I'd like to do an iboga trip first and then an aya after 3 days.  harveyplex reported some interesting anecodotes combining iboga and acid.  lynnet

That is a very interesting topic, indeed  I remember reading about this and some people do think that there is a great deal of similarity between Iboga and larger amounts of Caapi.  Even when done months apart, people seem to be able to reconnect with iboga while on caapi and caapi while on iboga.  Also it appears that there is a great deal of synergy between them when done properly and in small amounts.  Important to note, that larger amounts could be unsafe or should be proceeded with caution. However, when a brew is made with caapi, chakruna and iboga.  It appears that iboga is conflicting with dmt according to some sources.  As in, takes away from the actual experience and no synergy is being felt. An Ayahuasca ceremony post the Iboga flood does sound like a great way to reconnect and integrate even more from the initial flood experience, making it that much more of an efficient and powerfull healer/guide.  A very fascinating subject.  Would be great if anyone had any more thoughts to share on this! My friend is actually looking into doing a 7 or more day dieta with caapi and small amounts of iboga.  As a way of introducing himself to the plants before doing the flood dose a few weeks later.   Could be a great way to break some habits and provide a good start for the flood, in his opinion.

An update: Did a flood with Ayahuasca this past Saturday the dieta was by no means extreme but did take into considerations all the necessary do not's (fermented food/drinks, meat, cacao and the like) and on that day I only drank Guayusa in my Mate' gourd.  This experience even more than likely exceeded my Iboga flood 3 months ago and I will give the instructions for what I did, not that I am recommending simply that I am endorsing, I made the brew simply with Caapi and Chacruna but instead of drinking it you betcha I had it in enema form.  The next part is the key element I washed this down my arse with some potent Guayusa Tea mixed with 1 tablespoon of American Biologics Ultra Inf-Zyme Forte, these are pancreatic enzymes which have been proven with the Trypsin and Cytotrypsin in them to facilitate life extension, as well as 2 pills of Garden of Life Ω-Zyme.  This experience was simply indescribable I cannot tell you all everything I learned and was revealed about me to myself and the world in general but here is a brief synopsis. 1. Iboga and Ayahuasca are not siblings, in fact they are married consorts and gave birth to every other medicinal plant. 2. The Ayahuasca told me without a doubt and after every time I asked it, it affirmed...it cured my migraines. 3. Goodness will prevail in the earth and humanity will defeat it's lower evil half within each individual. 4. I saw nearly every memory I had ever had and realized without a doubt the near death experience. 5. I saw my choice as a monad spirit to be birthed in the physical form as a choice to help humanity. 6. I realized all clutter outside i.e. the messes we create is an exact replica of our inner spiritual state. 7. Once the lands of Gabon taking Iboga and Amazon taking Ayahuasca were literally one and branched off to disperse healing. More than likely the most important element of the experience was how it was a complete extension of my Iboga flood 3 months ago even going so far as to have some of the same color sequencing but especially the messages and teachings.  -I hope this serves others IP

Hey all! Just wanted to pop in with a few observations and questions.. As for developing tolerance to Ayahuasca.. I'm not sure about the harmalas in the Rue or Caapi, but I know it's been conclusively demonstrated that IV DMT develops effectively zero tolerance, even in 4 high doses administered 30 minutes of each other. That was in Strausman's book. And I'm also curious, what exactly is an Ayahuasca "flood"? In my experience they are both AMAZING healers.. But Aya seems different in how dose sensitive it can be.. With Iboga, I know I will get healing out of it every time, no matter what, and no matter how much I take. But with Aya, if I'm messing with high doses, I run the risk of spending a billion years in hell trapped with fear in my mind.. Is it ever safe to conduct high dose Aya sessions? Or are you referring to something else?

I felt that I gained tolerance to the brew I did, but now that you mention Straussman's tolerance study on DMT it may have been the MAOI effects from the rue that I was tolerant to.  I even redosed with rue before taking more mimosa brew after the 60 min mark. Also this was a very interesting thread on some guy who did DMT weekly for two years.  He condemned it as a cruel seductive bitch.  I found the responses interesting as well. DMT in retrospect https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15679 lynnet

Clarifications: I guess I was using the term flood rather generically and it really had no bearing on the amount that I took, I actually took a moderate amount and nothing that I would call large by any sense.  What made all the difference without a doubt and what could reasonably put it in the categorical realm of a flood with many similarities to the flood of an Iboga experience was the taking of enzymes so I want to stress that as the most important aspect.  The enzymes made all the difference as I have had Aya many times in the past but never anything near the power of this time.  Also more than likely taking it in enema form contributed a great deal in keeping it in my system much better without expunging a great deal of it as I usual do when taking it orally.  Even though I did take it in enema form I went through an amazing purging experience where "dead energies" were released.  This release was a marvelous experience and I had a profound vision as I realized I needed to do it, I became surrounded by spirits and was placed on something like a stage to do the expungement.  It was as if the entire world was witnessing the occasion of me getting rid of literal death from my system with great anticipation.  In the past when I take it orally, a lot of it comes out at about the 1 hour mark, whereas in this experience only a fraction came out at about the 1 hour 15 minute mark.  ENZYMES are the key I believe to experiencing this Ayahyuasca "flood" and more precisely they should be pancreatic enzymes in order to enter into your eternal structure aka spiritual resonance.

Thanks for a great feedback Ibogahuasca! It appears that ones the pathways are established it makes it a lot easier to reconnect to similar realms even when using different vechicles.  For example, my friend was able to reconnect his 3g mushroom + salvia breakthrough while on MAOI + 6g mushrooms.   It's all about establishing pathways and using similar vechicles to reconnect, it seems.  Very interesting, it might not even necessarily even have to be substances but certain states of mind, like caused by chanting or even listening to certain music in general.  Whatever, gets one back there.  But it certanly appears there is something special about these two. For what it's worth, my friend just tried Ayahuasca for the first time (Vine only brew) and was amazed at the potency.  He prepared a 100g of cielo, no acid, tap water, 4 x 30min pulls.  Filled a HUGE cup with it, took 3 sips out of it and felt like it was enough!!  Open eye visuals and the hole nine.., amazing!  Funny thing is, he is usually pretty hardheaded, however, this time he really did try communicating with the plant itself and tried to the best of his abilities to follow a proper dieta.  Relly did seem to make a BIG difference, to all the hardheads out there!!  The most interesting thing was, right before trying the brew for the first time, he tried to take a little nod, and somehow learned how we all connect into the same counsiosness "oneness" when we fall asleep or even just drift off.  It felt like a sharp stab into the front of his lobe, right into his brain..  That could be a whole topic on itself, so he is not going to get much further into that.  The spirit is real.  Very amazed and so much respect to the madre, he is just trying to gently meet her at this time, is all.   Peace

This thread is very intresting to read. I have the offer of some tea with a shaman here in UK i got in contact with. He said it would be a good to have this before my iboga flood. I got the impression that tea isnt as overwhelming as iboga. Ive tried making tea myself before and it did nothing and made me spew.

For me they are both incredibly overwhelming, but in different ways... It's hard for me to put it into words exactly.. They can both be almost too much for me at times.. But I think with Iboga I still always have the lingering feeling that I'm gonna make it through it, and I'll be better on the other side when I'm done.. Also, no chance of 'freak outs' or 'bad trips', because I can't freaking move anywhere anyway.. Those the things in my head are still quite intense.. Aya on the otherhand I am very very careful in dosing. I still believe fully in it's healing powers, but there are several ways it can be more overwhelming for me. I have respect for both of them, but Aya is the only one I fear sometimes.. I might approach an Iboga flood with anxiety or trepidation, but not really fear... Sometimes with Aya the fear is all you know. But I've still always come out cleansed on the other side.

Hi CL, Watch out for fraud and charlatans - take a friend with ya.  I hate to appear negative but I have seen so much BS in my life time.  Like take a magazine - any magazine and it has a new diet.  Now, you watch an see next month they will have another and so on.  If he is such a nice guy I can not see why he would object to you bringing a friend with ya.  If they don't live in the jungle they are not real shamans - end of story.  cinderpath

Hi cinderpath, Ive experienced alot of people (therapists especially) that have put on the 'im here to help, i care' face on, only to be only intrested in money. They can tell when someone is vunerable and needy. I always prefer to be in control of my own healing, i dont like to feel like i have to rely on anyone else. I dont think your being negative cinderpath, just seeing life for how it really is! I got the impression that these 'shaman' use low dosages, which is understandable - they dont want to be explaining to the police why they are giving people class A substances if someone died on them. But its not very helpful to someone like me. I dont want to be spending hundreds of pounds to get a taster of the real thing.

Hi CL, That's a good point.  In another post a lady gave a guy 5 caps and told him to take 1 a day.  Well the guy took all 5.  It did reduce his cravings for crack but got him somewhat sick.  Now if that happened in the U.S. and the guy died they could charge the person giving the Ibo with murder - first degree I think, not really sure.  That is why a smart sitter knows that she is a sitter and tells the client to order it himself.  The term sitter and  provider are often used interchangeably.  I have no idea what would happen in MX or Canada. I believe a shaman may know what root to give you for certain aliments but that does not necessary make him any more spiritual than an MD.  I don't have too much faith in TV evangelist or them Gurus in India.  Remember in about '67 or so the Beatles and Mia Farrell and them guys went to the Guru in India and he was...was....trying to give Linda and little extra help in meditating.  I wasn't there so I can't say it is true but it would not surprise me - very little does.  Often when your sick the illness will run it's course or if it doesn't the person dies - been that way for years and years. Ole Jimmy Swagert got caught twice with his pants down so to speak and he copyrighted his "I have sinned" speech, yea.  Jimmy said the Lord told me this and the Lord told me that.  I got to go along with Richard Prayor when he said "I think if the Lord was to speak to Jimmy he would tell them - Don't be messing with them hos."  Which I think is true.  Smart man that Richard P, even though he set himself on fire. Best to all,  cinderpath

Thought i share this report from erowid.  It is fairly well written and talks about the comparison between the two Plantas Maestras: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=81910

I read that one before, that is a good one.

Another interesting link that is related to this thread: http://csp.org/nicholas/A56.html The article has a few good pointers, especially about the use of drums during the ceremony.  I also like what is said about everything we see and feel being a product of imagination.

I think it's important to remember that the psychedelic visionary experience is a reflection of a persons world view, self image and psychology.  These experienced need to be looked at objectively.  Folks can become totally discombobulated from the current realm of "what is" if they read into the insights of tryptamines and/or beta carbolines as gospel.

That being said, Ibogaine is great at bringing issues to the surface with clarity and Ayahuasca and for that matter Psilocybes are great post ibogaine on several levels.  At very low doses psilocybin (.5g or less) can really help a person with fatigue and removing the focus of themselves when it comes to detox pains. It brings the person out of the body and adds in them being receptive and sensitive to the life around them, this is something many addicts haven't done with their hearts open in many years.  Psychologically both put a microscope on the issues that have surfaced and help the person move through the finer details of why these perceptions and feelings/actions and reactions manifest and resolve the foundation of these issues more rapidly. Set and setting are key of course

Hey IP, I quoted your experience report on FB without mentioning your handle.  A few people liked it, one is asking who wrote it?  May I share that information?  I'd like to send the link of this topic to the person, but only if its ok with you. lynnet

I see iboga as a dark, masculine version of the caapi vine. Caapi is softer and more playfull while iboga to me has a deadserious undertone.

Yes please share away skinny.  Sorry for the delayed reaction I take interval breaks from the internet.  On a side note I am about to do further investigations on this subject and have a perpetual desire to start a podcast entitled Ibogahuasca Panacea...a dream for starters but I'll see what they have to say about this. -IP

IP, you might want to do an interview first to get started if starting your own isn't feasible at the moment: This seems like a good place to start. http://www.entheoradio.com/ lynnet

Yeah actually my thoughts on the plans for the podcast would be to interview cats on this forum and the dmt nexus (Nobu especially on his Banisteriopsis Caapi with Iboga experiences and Pkeffect on his expertise on both subjects).  I have been just as impressed with many folks that write in as some shamans.  Many people, as I do as well, respond better to audio and retain more than reading it, spice it up with bwiti music and medicine songs and you got yourself some entertainment.  One person wrote that they felt Iboga was the darker force and Ayahuasca the more gentle energy.  I think that doesn't fit my paradigm in accuity and let me explain why from my own worldview.  I view, and you could even say if you wanted to as humans tend to catagorize that it is my religion, that Iboga is the father of creation and Ayahuasca the mother (prefice by saying in my view to grant the name Ayahuasca or yage as the mother it must be the perfect unity of the maoi and dmt as well as any admixtures, then in my present worldview it forms or reforms into the mother).  In this context the perfect mother and father would have distinct and unique attributes that are different in various ways and the same in others.  Now in this arena the perfect mother is capable of perfect love and perfect truth which can be seen in powerful ayahuasca sessions as scary darkness.  Iboga as the perfect father is capable of this it's own individualistic perfect love and perfect truth given as revelations of ones mistakes and wrongdoings as well as humanities which can be quite frightening which ayahuasca in general seems to do to a lesser extent.  The experience of Ayahuasca taken anally (excuse me) chased down with enzymes to me gets very near to an iboga experience.  This is greatly enhanced becuase I will listen to both icaros and bwiti music in the experiential phase.  What can I say I'm in love with plants and kinda worship 2 of them as my first anscestor God parents... a little weird, you damn right and proud of it!  Too many boring muvvas making it a homogenous world when we should all have our own unique and colorful worldview that we can share readily to magnify our happiness.  -IP

Dude let's just say I'm EXTREMELY skeptical of prophecies, but when I read yours it made such an impact that it excited me. I mean whether it is true or not I believe all prophecies have to be tested much like you test ideas via the Scientific Method.  But DMT space/Iboga space seems to be a paradox world of "Spirit" (whatever that is) and Science deals with facts that are derived from the Natural World around us. The Spirit Realm has many illogical concepts.  Many people with life-changing spiritual experiences go on a Mission to persuade people for whatever it is they saw in their Visions.  Jesus, Joseph Smith, Paul the Apostle, the average psychonaut, Doomsdayers, and the list goes on... I've been highly critical of Spirit, but maybe that's in my nature.  My iboga visions were very plain - people's faces, landscapes, avatars, landscapes. Circa Nov. 2009, I was kinda disappointed that my visions weren't that awesome like a lot of people describe, but I knew going into iboga to expect the Unexpectable which would include seeing NO VISIONS.  Also I didn't get afterglow and was highly depressed for months after my treatment.  My iboga trip was actually PLEASANT for the first part, and a bit unpleasant during my introspective phase having an emotional catharsis over my father (he also had severe migraines and was very verbally/emotionally abusive to me stunting my growth as a MAN).  So I guess I had to live with my father again and experience the shame of being the loser son who didn't acheive his dreams in life.  Game over...but still I didn't give up... Fast forward today, I'm amazed at my own simple interpretation of my vision.  Faces and Avatar:  represents Facebook.  And this kinda corresponds to your part about 'telepathy' and constantly figuring out how to heal humanity.  I found about iboga by connecting on Facebook and today I'm very active there doing just that: figuring out how to heal humanity. Rewind to Dec 2010, my first real entheogenic Ayahuasca experience was on the eve of Christmas Day.  I was alone with a good friend, couldn't afford to buy a decent present for myself, but I did buy yellow caapi vine and chacruna - a few days ago I tried it and received nothing except purging from both ends... Christmas eve I set up my space.  This time I did the syrian rue/mimosa hostilis admixture. I set intention and icaros (first album I played was Shpongle: Are you Shpongled?) - after 5 min, I purged, 45 min into it I started to have visions.  Visions were about seeing shiny detailed clocks, astrology type symbols on green ribbons, colored balls of energy that merged with me 'healing' me...then the deep teachings of Love started to penetrate me as if I had a Cosmic Orgasm.....uuhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHH thank you thank you....UUUUUUHHHHHhhhhhHHHH...all I could think was: THANK YOU! Ad infinitum! I had a full body orgasm lasting what seemed like Minutes. I ended up crying like a baby for an hour. And I do feel that Iboga taps into Dark Energy.  Check this out: FINALLY!! *** ASTRONOMERS CONFIRM EXISTENCE OF DARK ENERGY *** http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1506904/pg1 And to further the prophecy, I started taking notes.  I do believe we can make it Self-Fullfilling.   Meaning that only Humans can screw it up due to their actions: *** A lot of people who go under Iboga experience Africa - or african tribes, dancing, drumming - recently Richard Dawkins, evolutionary biologist and author of The Greatest Show on Earth gave a talk and here's what he said: Richard Dawkins on Real Time With Bill Maher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qpENimvFXg   Also I believe Mushrooms specifically Psylocibin "magic" Mushrooms are part of the Triune Force that can help make this Prophecy come true.  Magic mushrooms for individual healing and other fungi for healing of the Planet - toxic cleanup, radiaton cleanup, soil magicians... Six Ways Mushrooms Can Save the World - Paul Stamets http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life Hotlink: http://i.imgur.com/QjzYq.jpg Smaller size: http://i.imgur.com/Qty5J.jpg lynnet Edit: inserted smaller size of Tree of Life graphic

I Love the The Nganga Nobunoni !!! The mad shaman of the British Isles . He helped me heal and I love him dearly for it . I love to talk to him about plant spirits , magic , the unknown and the unseen . He is a great man whom i believe is quite often misunderstood for what are viewed as unconventional witchdoctor behaviors . Iboga itself is unconventional . His heart is of gold though . Much love and Jungle Magic. harvey Plex

Interesting, in my breakdown I could see this as being extremely valid.  Iboga as the stern and disciplinary father, and Ayahuasca as the extremely compassionate but yet earth shatteringly truthful mother.  I remember a shaman laughing when an interviewer asked if he believed in God he said, "why believe in God when we already have ayahuasca".  And the bwiti say you are not a true human unless you have had Iboga. -IP

Which begs the questions: Which came first? Man or WomanFather or MotherDark or LightChicken or the Egg - had to throw that one in there ;) lynnet

My intuitive opinion would be that they came together and yet never arrived as their intelligence is that divine spark of creation itself.  Neither here nor there and yet everywhere.  Nowhere to be found and yet everywhere their presence exists.  I don't speak of a big bang scenario but an intentional energetic phenomena brought on by the highest of high.  I want to reinstate this is strictly my opinion based on intuition and really stands no ground in a rhetoric conversation in other words I have no facts to stand on and might as well right a fictional novel on this topic to thoroughly indulge my posterity. -IP

IP, all those things you mention are puzzling.  I am just thinking out loud here: I didn't know what to make of this picture on the dark energy link that I posted earlier, but I thought it might have to do with the concept of Multiverse...but then I remember something else... This is the Bubble Universe Theory which strangely resembles what psychonauts going deep in salvia divinorum.  I used be big into salvia circa (2000-2003), and many psychonauts described higher levels as "passing through a membrane", "other realities", "other universes", "different levels of conciousness"....stuff like that... Level 4-5 on salvia sounds like a powerful experience on aya/iboga, would you have any insight on this IP?  Food for thought. lynnet References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_universe_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum http://i.imgur.com/WhtNF.jpg http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1506904/pg1 http://i.imgur.com/3V7T0.jpg

With ayahuasca, you're alway's very aware that you're being under the influence of a substance and rational or analytical thinking is hardly ever diminished. There may be a shift in preference from rational to less rational concepts, but  not in analytical or rational ability´s. Only extremely large doses make thinking difficult, but this is not because rationality fails but because it would be hard to focus on one thought at the time. Iboga is more fuzzy. Analytical powers are more diminished. Contact with reality is not completely lost, but you are not capable to judge to wich extent you´ve lost reality. There is the slight tendency to underestimate the effect the substance has on your powers of reason or sense of reality. Though, not far as bad as with say, large quantity´s of alcohol.

I like the Multiverse model of the cosmic mechanics...just makes sense in a far-out kind of way. I saw a special on NatGeo about this: these physicists are speculating on the theory of Multiverses, saying they are like different membranes (or 'branes' as they call them) and that whenever one of these 'branes' collides with another - which is not atypical - a 'big bang' scenario erupts, and I guess maybe this gives birth to further 'branes'. I have only the sketchiest outline of how that works but man, it's interesting. I also feel like iboga is a masculine spirit - and ayahuasca the feminine counterpart. You bet your ass they're in cahoots. Two sides of the same coin, the first time I flooded, when it was coming on it reminded me of ayahuasca more than any other thing I had done. After a while its own signature predominated and it wasn't really like yage anymore, but there are definite similarities in the spirit of these. Awesome thread.

New info! *** A Core Shamanic Theory of Dreams by Michael Harner, Ph.D. Presented August 14, 2010, at the Foundation for Shamanic Studies  Shamanic Dreamwork workshop, San Francisco, California.  (Revised December 1, 2010)   TEN CORE PRINCIPLES FIRST PRINCIPLE: Spirits are real. SECOND PRINCIPLE: Spirits produce dreams.  THIRD PRINCIPLE: These spirits have a variety of characteristics, along with different kinds and degrees of power, and differing preoccupations. FOURTH PRINCIPLE: Spirits producing dreams can be: personal souls; helping spirits, including guardian spirits; or they can be non-helping ones, such as suffering beings or other intrusive spirits. FIFTH PRINCIPLE: “Bad” dreams or nightmares can be beneficial warnings from one’s soul or helping spirits, or may be manifested by non-helping spirits. SIXTH PRINCIPLE: Persons of substantial spiritual power tend to be resistant to receiving unsought dreams from non-helping spirits. SEVENTH PRINCIPLE: Major helping spirits can manifest as Big Dreams and convey important spiritual power and information. EIGHTH PRINCIPLE: The above principles apply to all kinds of dreams, including sleeping, waking and day dreams, and visions. NINTH PRINCIPLE: To learn the meaning of their dreams, people can merge with a helping spirit to call back dreams for study, or they can take shamanic journeys to their most important divinatory spirit helpers to obtain information. TENTH PRINCIPLE: These journeys should include the extensive study of metaphors, especially as they pertain to the meaning of spirit communications and thus to the meaning of dreams. Copyright | 2010 Michael Harner. Foundation for Shamanic Studies | www.shamanism.org | info@shamanism.org *** Copied and Shared for Research and Education Purposes References: http://www.shamanswell.org/shaman/dream-theories-michael-harners-core-and-ariadne-greens-8-precepts https://www.shamanism.org/articles/pdfs/ShamanicTheoryDreams-Harner.pdf Dream Precepts: Unravel the Meaning of Your Dreams By Ariadne Green http://www.keen.com/documents/works/articles/spiritual/dream-precepts-unraveling-the-meaning-of-your-dreams.asp lynnet

I might get banned for saying this.  But Iboga came as a female spirit to me in my dream.  Right during the come up she (in the form of an entity) came very close to me, it felt like she was laying in waves on top of my body.  It was actually very intimate but not sexual in any kind of way.  Sort of like Angelina Jolie and her brother kind of intimate :-)

Why on earth would you get banned all personal subjective opinions should be valued and shared.

Lol.. Agreed. Did someone say FEMALE spirit!!!?? WHAAAATTTT?!?!?   Don't make me spank somebody with this mod stick! :-D

Speaking of Female Spirit, Psychedelics, NWO/Illuminati and Mysteries... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_mysteries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Freedom Does anyone notice a connection? lynnet

I just posted this on my Facebook.  I have watched many documentaries and this one is one of the best ones regarding the New World Order/Illuminati. I'm curious has anyone else besides IP had visions regarding this or any related Ancient Mysteries? Ring of Power: Empire of the City-Full Length Documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w-A54h_GQ8 From the mystery religions of ancient Egypt to the Zionist role in 9/11, "Ring of Power -- Empire of the City -- 4,000 Years of Suppressed History" puzzles together the missing pieces of our human story. Find out how an Illuminati network of international bankers and European royalty have turned the world's nations and citizens into their debt slaves. Please support the producers: http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/DVD-ROP-detail-buy1.html Part 1: 9/11 The Untold Story Half the world believes Muslims were responsible for 9/11. The other half believes it was Israeli Zionists. Who is right? Part 2: Hidden Empire The world's most powerful empire is not the USA. It is an empire that insiders call "Empire Of The City" Part 3: Trail Of The Pharaohs Did the Biblical Abraham really live to be 175? Did Moses really turn staffs into snakes and rivers into blood? Part 4: God And The Queen Genealogy charts show that British and French royalty are descendants of Mary Magdalene and Jesus. Is it true? Part 5: All The Queen's Men How rich and powerful is Queen Elizabeth II? Part6: The Godfathers They scammed control of the Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve, then they found God-Gold, Oil and Drugs. Part 7: Cheating At Monopoly How many people would play a game of monopoly if the banker was cheating and fixing the rules? Over 6 billion. Part 8: Asses Of Evil The New World Order MAFIA are invisible rulers who make puppets out of politicians and heroes out of villains. Part 9: King Of Hearts The ultimate goal of "insiders" is to disarm the world and create one world empire under one world ruler. Who is he? Part 10: Solutions Protesting and writing letters to deaf politicians doesn't work. What does work? This video uses copyrighted material in a manner that does not require approval of the copyright holder. It is a fair use under copyright law. Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for fair use for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. The media material presented in this production is protected by the FAIR USE CLAUSE of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976, which allows for the rebroadcast of copyrighted materials for the purposes of commentary, criticism, and education. *** lynnet

Hey this is for research and education purposes... edit: http://vigilantcitizen.com/category/musicbusiness/  (here's a better link) We are brainwashed by pop culture icons and lately it's been a barrage of Illuminati shit.  Check this links and embedded pics and videos for more insight: *** Britney is, without a doubt, a modern pop icon embodying both the inspiring and repulsive side of fame. She has achieved her life-long dream of becoming a successful singer, yet this success has required her to become part of a dark, manipulative, abusive system. Of the many pop stars promoting the Illuminati mind control agenda, Britney is one of the most obvious cases of an actual Monarch slave. We have looked at some events where Britney exhibited typical symptoms of a mind-control slave but many other instances could have been added. While it is easy ridicule the behavior and the work of pop stars, most people have absolutely no idea of the pain and the trauma these people have to suffer in order to be in the spotlight. The reason why some stars are able to remain popular and obtain airplay is because they are part of the System. Britney is part of it and, at this point, I don’t think she has much of a choice. Like other industry puppets, she is even forced to portray her own mind control in her works. http://world-awakening.blogspot.com/2011/05/britney-spears-mind-control-and-hold-it.html Jessie J, “new face of pop”, does not bring anything new to the pop world (aside from her face). Her video Price Tag incorporates numerous symbols associated with Illuminati mind control, signs that were previously exploited by other pop artists. How many artists on this site have been shown flashing that darned One Eye sign? Dozens. The fact that the same meanings and symbols appear in so many music videos, regardless of the artist, is the ultimate proof of a hidden power structure in charge of the industry. The One-Eye sign of submission is not the main issue, however. It is the message that is promoted and the values that are glorified that we must closely watch. In the case of Price Tag, viewers are exposed symbols associated with Monarch programming, a horrific method of mind control based on child abuse, while a fun and catchy song plays in the background. So, I guess it is a good thing they don’t care about the price tag … ’cause I ain’t buying it. http://world-awakening.blogspot.com/2011/05/jessie-js-price-tag-its-not-about-money.html From unexpected drama to shocking performances, MTV’s 2009 Video Music Awards managed once again to raise eyebrows and get people talking. What most people missed, however,  were the occult meanings encoded in the VMAs. The TV event was in fact a large scale occult ceremony, complete with an initiation, a prayer and even a blood sacrifice. We’ll look at the symbolism that appeared during the show. http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/ LCD Sounsystem’s Pow Pow is therefore the first MTV-funded video and…it’s symbolic of the forces behind MTV http://world-awakening.blogspot.com/2011/05/lcd-soundsystems-pow-pow-first-mtv.html That video is Illuminati agenda. Katy appears as a grey alien (also a ‘demon’ because of the  [satan] legs at the end) that lands on Earth and breeds with the albino black guy (black+white races?) to produce a new hybrid, alien-human race. This agenda is explained in a few conspiracy books, specially Matrix V . Also research on greys: the fact there is a tall grey in this video says much.. All the prophecies about the return of the Antichrist seem to be converging to 2012. Maybe the Antichrist will be a certain race of aliens (truly demons) that will descend upon Earth to introduce a new race of hybrid humans AFTER the Illuminati fulfill their plans of depopulation. No wonder that this video features a holocaust survivor inside a robotic suit (not sure the symbolism here, but it may have something to do with loss of humanity). http://world-awakening.blogspot.com/2011/04/katy-perry-et-illuminati-symbolism.html Rihanna's S&M http://world-awakening.blogspot.com/2011/04/rihanna-princess-of-illuminati.html lynnet

Hi lynnet, I read your stuff on the music industry and they have been using the entertainment media and new media to tell the people what they want them to believe.  However, you must remember that when Rock and Roll first came out in the 50s the fellas down south said it a communist plot.  But seeing a person all with ropes on themselves could be interpreted several ways like no way out helpless and such.  It is interesting, the Illuminati does exist.  If you remember in Germany a little before WW 11 they let anyone join their ranks, gay people, crippled people, poor people, etc.  Then they killed the gays and the retarded and those with birth defects.  They would come to the house and say we got a special school that your child will do well in and they would use them as a guinne  pigs. Few people know about MK-Ultra, wow purging peoples mind.  Don't send your wife to Canada for depression for she will have to learn how to do everything all over again.  They kept them sleeping for 90 days straight while on heavy drugs and played a tape over and over.  Bet they have more effective methods now.  And do you know that the CIA made 90% of the acid during the 60s?  And the 60s scared the hell out of the powers that be.  People refused to go into the Army, had long hair and even got the Smothers Brothers kick off the air via Tricky Dick. As for 911 they say it came from Afghanistan but they can't bomb Afghanistan for their are no viable targets so we bombed Iraq, see that makes sense.  When they failed to find WMD why didn't they just come home?  They could even show videos showing how they found them and destroyed them.  I don't believe that much of what I hear or see on TV.  Also on 911 three buildings - not two - came down and one was 50 stories high and it was not hit by an airplane.  Thank goodness it fell in it's own footprint like the other two. They killed Bin Laden and dragged his body  in a helicopter then put his bloody body on a ship and gave him a burial at sea.  Now there is no body, no monument, etc; when I first heard the story I didn't believe it.  Hitler's body was destroyed by fire as the story goes. I could tell ya to goggle the gulf of Tonkin which started the Vietnam War or police state whatever.  Hell our cops already have tanks like in Waco and bombs as in the Africa movement in Philly when the cops dropped a bomb on the house and set a bunch of houses on fire, opps. Well I babbled on long enough it's been nice talking with ya.   cinderpath

lynnet: (And Roy a little bit) I think all that stuff is supremely interesting.. Like.. Totally, very interesting.. But I don't fully believe it.  Just because you find all these things that make such great and amazing points - or youtube videos or website that argue these ideologies in ways that are hard to find fault with - doesn't make this conspiracy theory stuff true. When it comes down to it, the two things that sway me in this life are experience, and hard scientific data/evidence.  And when it comes to these theories, I have neither.  It's interesting, and I love reading it because I think that most of this stuff is completely plausible.. But how much of this do you actually believe?  Do you live your lives different because of those beliefs?  I'm only asking because I'm curious.  I'm not sure how my life would be affected if I really truly thought that there were, for example, only 13 families that controlled all major world decisions.  Do you really think it's even possible for such a small group of people to exert such total power over so many?  If this is the case, why have I not seen any major, concrete evidence?  (And don't say "because they won't LET you see it, man!") Anyway, totally not trying to be a dick.. This stuff truly does interest me, I just want to learn a little more about where you guys are coming from, and how much of this you truly believe - stimulate the conversation a bit. So.. If you can, prove some of this stuff to me.  Or inform me more.  Point me in a direction and I will give it ample research and consideration before forming my own opinions. Thanks!! <3 PS.  Love you guys

Hi, I don't have much time for this board these days, so I'm just dumping the data for now.  A lot of this just came to me recently, so I haven't had time to research and compare, but I will say that the documentary Ring of Power completely disturbed me.  I don't believe in the UFO stuff (still skeptical) or the Pyramids were built by Aliens (I'm more inclined to believe as Micheal Shermer of the Skeptic's Society that humans built it). Ring of Power is 5 hrs long, but totally worth it.  I've watched many documentaries and this one is one of the best.  I need to watch it again. The stuff about Banking Industry is spot on.  Ron Paul I believe carries a 'monad spirit' to educate us on this - fiat banking, Federal Reserve, etc.  I'm a big fan of him. The Queen of England I believe is the most powerful woman on Earth - at least in terms of land wealth.  Her face is even on the Canadian Maple Silver Leaf.  BTW what freaks me out is how the lady (narrator of the doc) says Prince Charles is being primed for the 'Antichrist'.  I thought that was one of the most far-fetched claims, but notice the news today.  The news media is kissing Prince Charles and Kate Middleton's collective asses. Alex Jones uncovers a lot too, but his tone and delivery turn a lot of people off.  Plus he's kinda clueless and does over-the-top rants on DMT.  At least he does invite a lot of hosts - even though he talks over them/interrupts them. I like David Icke a lot these days.  I don't remember if I posted his Lizard Brain theory.  Thought that was complete b.s. first time I heard it, not so sure now.   Next time I have a chance I will post more notes.  DMT has given some people Reptilian/Alien experiences during Dr. Rick Straussman's research in the 90s. Max Keiser is a former Wall Street Insider and is 'in the know' with all the Banking Scams.  Marc Faber (aka Dr. Doom) from Switzerland does too. ok well that's all for now. lynnet

I must admit I often wish I wouldn't have dove head first into the rabbit hole of researching the new world order.  I definitely do not recommend it!  For a brighter presentation check tragedy and hope community, for a really optimistic outlook check out the 9 part book set of the ringing cedars series by vladamir merge.  For a super bright outlook consider how Gabon has retained it's natural heritage and culture while virtually all it's neighbors have had brutal civil wars with the exception of cameroon. I don't think it's an accident and would attribute it to the Ibogas bernie force of protection.  Not just the light of Africa but the holy land for the world...my destination.  On a more to the topic meme I have know personally discovered that iboga mainly does surgery on the brain while ayahuasca does surgery on the body especially the intestines.  On another note when I have ayahuasca and listen to bwiti music it literally puts me back in that flood state I experienced with iboga 8 months ago.  Anyone else constantly get these trickling lessons continue on and on long after your flood.  Sometimes I wonder if I have learned far more from it as time goes on than I did initially.  Well on to sapo I think once I get my amalgam fillings removed I need a full detox from that mercury in my mouth fo 20 years.  Heavy metals don't stand a chance.  Is sapo the ultimate superfood?  I can see the craze once raw foodists discover it.  Get it before it's illegal. I like how this thread has opened up and morphed just like a flood. -IP

Sorry not sapo but Kambo, my dumbass keeps doing that now I just need to find out what the tarnations is sapo.  Kambo kambo kambo

sapo is the frog while kambo is her secretion, kambo sitck.

IP, your point you've eloquently made is very encouraging and seems strangely familiar.  Ive delved deep into the jungles of Ayahuasca but soon I will have my first Iboga experience.  Something tells me, these two teachers are intimately related, as you've illustrated they are.  I guess once my flood is over, I'll be putting together another Aya brew...  I cant wait to experience the synergy.  Thanks for the insights!!

On a drug related note, the "new" drugs out there are very disturbing!    Ibogaine + Ayahuasca FTW! lynnet

Hi lotty41, Did you Google 'The Gulf of Tokin' when they now admit the the Vietnam War was a scam - the pt boat never fired on the destroyer?  The Capetian was Mcains's dad. Goggle CFR membership list and you will see that most if not all presidents were a member of the CFR.  You will also see that anyone who is anyone and does the news like FOX, CBS, MSNBC and ABC.  Such people Peter Jennings, and... and....  do the search and let me know who is NOT a member. Reagan and Bush and others spoke of the NWO. But whatever you do don't Goggle MK-ULTRA  - don't go there for you will know too much and the CIA guys will be chasing ya.  I got to beat 'em up every week or two.  I hope then never figure it out that I have brass knuckles, remember brass knuckles??  Best to ya,   cinderpath You do that and I will boar the hell out of ya wish more.

Didn't have time to read this huge thread, but the original post looked quite interesting... Revelations on DMT from my Cosmic Father http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1394037/pg1 lynnet

wow. didnt read the whole thing either,but it will nibble... heavy stuff.

Ok, I am back and ready to start micro dosing. I was making my order with Maya for some Ayahuasca ad mix and something told me to get some Iboga this time. I searched through their selection and decided to go back Iboga world and get 20g rootbark. So I ordered. It is my intention to start small and go for a 28 day practice. I was thinking starting with 333 milligrams daily and finishing with 1g daily by the end of the practice. Is that the right way or should it be the other way around since the tolerance lowers over time. I was hoping to achieve stronger effects gradually throughout the practice. Also, I would like to be taking a micro dose of Caapi since it was an Ayahuasca vision that told me to meet Iboga. My intention here is to bring in Iboga slowly as I am already feeling quite in sync with Ayahuasca and do not want to abandon her right now. I am also wondering if it would be safe to continue my weekly ayahuasca ceremonies while practicing the micro doses of Iboga? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am hoping to do a flood in a few months with root and ta