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Hey sis, Big welcome to you!!!!
Greetings sister and thanks for sharing! 24mg/kg sure seems like a pretty big dose, especially for hcl - but I think that's close to the norm for clinical protocol. If your habit is smaller and you are doing this at home, a smaller dose would probably be best. Every situation having it's own set of circumstances, and each of us unique in our requirements can make dosing admin tricky. But I think 10-15mg/kg sounds pretty reasonable. Kick your ideas around there's lots of good folks and information online. Very good to have you aboard!
Hello sister' Many Blessings Love and Light' Be Well! Nobu +
The first tx... I had a 35yr+ habit. I even went back into wd the next day. they gave me small booster and that surely took care of it. I am female, 130lbs.....right now I can take about 5mg oxycodone every 7-8 hours and keep wd away... so this is a very small habit. I am sure I could jump off and have but the cravings always win after I start feeling better and back in the world. I have managed to keep it very light. I wish I would of done the tx before I picked up again. I had 4 wonderfull months of no cravings, no drug dreams and learning how to live opiate free. I have to admitt I did not get what I saw others get after thier tx. After the three days pass post treatment I felt like I was just on maintaince meds. Never really felt like I was clean. I was emotionally void. No good feelings or bad feeling.. just felt like I was maintaining on Meth or something without actually takeing the opiate. I did get what was promise as no cravings... did have chills/sweats for another month but very doable. I thank anyone for any suggestion for me to follow... like amino/vits prior and after. Maybe that is where I made my mistake. I dont eat read meat, eat alot of veggy, soy product. Maybe coming off a life time of dope I should of expected the honey moom not to last too long. I dont want to make the same mistake again I am very interested on what you all think of booster doses with the HCL and how to administer.
One more note of interest.... about a week after my ibogain tx.. I did partake in a session of peyotee. (SP). I have to admit that this did give me the ability to smile for a week or so. It was fresh right out of the ground so the taste was nasty.... very hard time getting three large plants down. Rather funny how we had to do it... I ate it, would vomit but my caregiver held his hand over my nose/mouth and after it mixed with my bile... much easier to get down and keep down. I think this did give me a few days of actually able to "feel", had a real smile on my face and actually laugh out loud with others sharing thier iboga tx. I dont think I could get that nasty poyotee down again... but if its suggested I will do what ever it takes to come out of the hold that opiates have over me. I do work a program..... just a weakling when it comes to dope.
Hey sister, I do not think you're a "weakling when it comes to dope" - Once that switch is flipped, there's no real way to undo it. You can't un-ring a bell, as a friend put it. But what we can do is put some real time in between us and IT - I'm of the opinion this is where the real healing starts. And if you are working a program as you say, then you will agree that not picking up that first pill is essential for success. I'm going to start a thread about dosing protocol, please stop on by there - we can continue our discussions! I'd like to thank you again for being here and sharing!
My first point to note on your post is' taking SP' about a week after initiation' Why the substance seeking as of when Iboga is still climbing/rewiring your brain from abuse' I see your attempt at SP' at such an early stage of recovery' just unwired your NMDA receptors to learning through substances instead of learning through being clean and running on Ibogamines' Great to see you made 4 months' hopefuly next time you shall remeber of how Ibogaine works and no attempt to rewire your own brain with further substance use' As has been stated the "Bell is rung" now is to make a plan to get a new bell and never ring it again with substances' We live and learn' it took me 7 attempts to get the message in my daft head' but after the first initiation it became easier' or less easy to trash myself' Now my brain and body says' "Opiates just give maximum amount of pain for your money' you just as well smoke "Pain and suffering" Life is light' opiates draw you into the dark' and disconnect your brain from your body' your psychi from your spiritual light' I pray you work at getting back to the light sister' much good energies to you' Stick around' this sis a good place' Be Well! Bliss! Nobu +
Well..... I am set up to do my tx this coming tuesday. I cant say that I am looking forward to the tx itself but am looking forward to coming out on the other side. After much research and chatting with others... I will do a test dose. Wait to see if I feel anything for at least two hours. I remember I felt nothing on my first test dose and it took 3-4 hours before I felt anything from the next dose. I will take 300mg next, then two hours later anther 3O0 mgs. Total being 800. I will have enough for booster after the flood dose calms down if needed. I am hoping I will not need anymore. I plan to take another 200mg in two months. I am assuming I will not need a sitter for the 200mg booster?? TY for your email Calaq... I will not have my pc in the house from Sunday till after I am up and moving. I will keep a journal and hopefully post it if i am comfortable. BTW.......... I LOVE THIS SITE
hello sister - thanks for posting, we're glad you are here! I totally hear you - not looking forward to the tx, but wanting to have the momentum it affords you afterward. An iboga session is an ORDEAL - and no mistake! I'm confident things will work out well, you have a good head on your shoulders, you are prepared and experienced. Bless you! Best of luck and please come back around once you are on the other side, we'll be here!
Sis! YAY! I will have you in my heart and prayers for Tuesday. Oh, I'm so happy for you, finally. On the 200mg booster, just have a home day. In my experience, no need for a sitter at that dose. You can get wobbly, tho. No heavy machinery, lol. What mg/kg are you doing? How are you doing with opes? Keep us posted as you can. Tia
I am taking 5mg oxycodone (perc's without the tylonel) about every 6-7 hours.... just enough to keep the wd away and able to work. My last dose will be monday morning before work and that should hold me thru my shift. Once I am home, wd's can set in. I plan on doing 13mg/kg wt. This includes the test dose. I can always take another 200mg if the next day I feel wd. My first tx was much higher at 24mg/kg wt, but a whopping habit and with long term addiction of about 35 yrs. I was able to wean down to about 90mg of oxycontin prior to my arrival to Mexico. Still had wd's for the following month but very doable. I have been able to keep this last failure down to a minimal.. and only use on work days now to be able to function. On days I am off I will just lay in sweat. Its worked for keeping the dose down. For the following weeks after tx I have small projects to do in the house at night while I cant sleep.... meetings during the day. I stay away from NA but do enjoy AA.. I also will be seeing a therapist that has done her research on Ibogaine. She is pretty floored by it... I saw her for a few months after my first tx. Thanks all for your responses.. means a lot to me. Sister
Rooting for you Sis! Be Bwitiful' Bliss! Nobu +
sister , I am sorry i havent been keeping up with this forum for awhile . I am rooting for you too ! I love the dreams that follow an experience. wish you the best and will be keeping up with this now. much love - hp ps . hello everybody else ! - cal call !
Hello Everyone, Well I am back. This TX I must say perplexed me a bit. I guess my provider new what he was doing with the high flood on first TX. It went like this, took test Tues morning, 300mg. Didn't feel anything for an hour so took another 400mg, waited a short time then the final 200, I thought. Well, I waited till way too long in in climbing wd but doable. freaked and text my much apprec. buddy here to ask for help. I was thinking since my habit was so small that I could get away with a lot less iboga HCL. Didn't work. All done, over three days I took 30mg/kg wt. Today.. I am eating/ NO WD and feel back to myself again. I mean Back to the CLEAN, SMILE on face chic. Until I took the last 300mg over two days later did I even have any type of "vision". I sent my sitter home earlier since I was able to walk to bathroom without effort, HR at the 80-100 with BP of 150/90's..fld/fruits set up.., he better leave before what he said, blizzard coming. In fact, I was always able to ambulate with ease, no nausea, lots of rumbling belly, just a bit of dancing lights.
Well... after I heard my sitter leave I laid there with RLS, chills, other then a few dancing lights, I thought well.. I guess Iboga needs me to pay for my mistake. Took another 300mg. FINALLY got that buzzing.... relaxed, ready for my ride. Well my ride was very easy, thought provoking, no room for misinterpretation. I saw how I am not putting 100% effort in my recovery. I want to say so much more but my sitter was right. IF he didn't go home he would of been stuck here for a week at least. Right now I need to began my dig out if possible... The snow is up to my mid door in back..cant open it. My dog needs to tinkle so bad. Front door only has maybe a foot up the door. I need to get to work since the storm is only 1/2 thru. will be back.
Still cant get out the door... I may have to jump out a window... this is totally unreal. Well.. back to TX. Was thinking.. I have done dope for over half my life. Heroin, oxys, diludid, meth and suboxone. Abuse them all. The amount of Mu receptors (to keep it simple) have been multiplied by the thousands. I turned on that switch and awaken every one of them. Maybe that is why my body requires so much HCL. Even though the last few weeks of TX I use very little.. a few weeks before that I was shooting D's and H. So I surely didn't let many sleeping receptors stay that way. Just thinking as I get the courage to attach the snow.
Very good to hear from you sister! I'm glad you're back- and feeling OK? The board has been a bit slow lately, maybe the winter blah's all around... I would definitely like to hear more when you're up for it -I'm going to be 'going' again very soon and am already getting nervous about it. Will probably be doing it with straight root bark this time, but I am not certain yet: that's a lot of sawdust to eat haha! Thank you so much for being here and it's nice to see you again, sending vibes your way -Cal
Dont be nervous...... I have to say, all in all, other the the seeping back of wd I really enjoyed the tx. Like N said... I think by putting hours between doses didnt give me the full effect of the "dream" state. Just didnt think I did that much damage with such a short run of doping. WRONG! I am glad its behind me so I can get to work on my life again. I have so much to learn.. HOW THE HELL CAN I FIX IT SO I CAN TYPE MORE WITHOUT THE JUMPING>> HEHEHE STILL HAVE SOME DANCING EYES>
Great stuff ) Ibogaine HCL is woosh in woosh out' so this is of why you experienced little in the way of visions' etc' 300mg flood dose' wait 3-6 hours then drop the rest of the dose in one go' You shall be back to base line after another 16 hours' (24 hours all in) Sounds as if you got the secondary binding to opiate receptors' How BLANK do you feel upstairs' All in you took 30mg/kg' but you waterted it down over many hours' Awesomely great to see you made it' lovely' beautiful stuff' Power to your reflection Sister' Be Well! Nobu +
I dont feel "Blank" at all. I have to say..... even after my first tx, this is the first time in many yrs I feel alive. I have much to work on. I see now how I just took the Iboga as my wd agent, not willing or too lazy to put effort in my real recovery work. Blessed Be, Sister
Supplements!! Vit C' (sodium ascorbate)5000mg + daily Omega 3's 1000mg Cod Liver Oil(daily) 300mg Magnesium Oxide'(daily) 50mg Vit B6 Pyridoxine Hydrochloride'(daily) Full spectrum amino acids' Lots of fresh fruit and greens' bananas at nite time to aid natural sleep' Green Kiwi fruit first thing in the morning for anti-oxidant detox and' clear energies' lots of good spring water (no drink tap water) Eat and drink every 3 hours' little and often' Take lots of hot showers/baths' Long walks in nature' Power to you sister' beautiful to see you made it back to the light' Much love' Nobu + P.S. My comment about being "BLANK" ie craving and such' Ibogaine is an NMDA agonist' we learn through these receptors' being an agonist has the effect of "Reset" losing all of the craving/learnt responces of the "Brain reward cascade" no thing needs fulfilling becasue Ibogaine is coating all of the receptors' As long as no substance is introduced to compete with the Ibogaine for receptor sites' the "Whitewall" effect shall be complete by the 6 week mark' Ibogaine also through GDNF helps rebuild dopamine pathways' Folks sleep differently after Iboga and coming from opiates' etc' this is because a next to normal dopamine level is maintained in the brain reward cascade' hence the system has no need of firing' SATED!!!
Sister, Wonderful to hear from you. I'm so glad you went where you needed to go. Have you thought about boosters? You sound so positive and open. Beautiful. You are a class act, ya know. Tia
Yes... been thinking about boosters.. Not sure exactly how to go about it and very open to everyone suggestion. I have been on all the supplement that N suggested... I do B12 shots monthly also. Right now... out of most and so snowed in that getting restock is not a option. Hate to miss my Omga's. I am now sleeping about 4 hours a night without any outside help. I never did take the valium, trazadone... just didnt need it. I am not one to suffer from anxiety and figure why add any shit. I am getting all the excerise I can... shoveling snow is very hard work for me. I can only pick up about 4" at a time. with 5 ft of snow takes all day. I work for 45 mins then sit and try and recover.... big boosting of endorphins. So... just tell me how to do the boosters.... I will do it. BTW... I still stink to high heavens.
Sister , i am glad to see you up and about . That snow is blinding after an Iboga journey. I hope you are feeling well. keep with the rehab . eat , rest , excercise , (pray?). I have been absent from the forum for to long and wanted to send you my best wishes. much love harvey plex
strange.....I find myself with uncontrollable crying jags.. Over NOTHING> Wondering.... I was born addicted to Methadone. Do you think that my brain is just wired with the need?
Hey sis, This I know, Ibo opens up all the paths inside you for emotions to come flowing out. What you are going through is so very right on time. Let it out and let it through. On boosters, I have heard and seen many things. Some people take microdoses daily. Some use 50-100mg when they feel like it. Some do big boosts of 400-500mg and wait months and do it again. I have heard that the one month mark is something to consider, and the three month mark. I'm pretty sure this thinking is related to metabolites. Oh, and those measurements are for hcl. I felt the very best when I was eating just a tiny bit of rootbark every couple days. If I had put it in a capsule, it would have filled about half of it. Maybe someone here with direct opiate experience for themselves could say what worked (and what didn't) for them. Talk soon, T
I did a whole lot of crying and laughing . be well , stay well - hp
Well, maybe cause I am so stranded and the damn snow.. trying hard to keep up excerise by the useless shoveling.. now no where to put the snow but my dog can now take a shit. I didnt sleep at all last night, sweating/chills are back... surely can deal with it. I am still so floored that the short stint on dope again took me so far back. I did let it rip early this am with the crying...felt pretty good really. Very purging for me. I dont remember doing this after my first tx. I was so empty for months after that tx. This one is surely different. I am going to take this as a good sign I am coming back to life.
it never takes much, does it? we would do well to remember this for the future - I am the same after my first TA flood this is how it went for me...I would ball at the slightest provocation - be it sentiment, anger, whatever. I too took this as a sign of 'coming back to life' which it most certainly is - bless you my dear, I have enjoyed your communication and I pray you reap all the healing you deserve!
this is silly but what is TX? - hp
"TX" - abbreviation for 'treatment'...
Originaly X = script' orthodox prescription' T = Treatment' A cross ascotiation = X + Treatment' Mant folks feel as of medicated after Iboga' "BLANK" and alive' this is normal' flushing' cold' alive' life' grasp it' embrace it' I wish to portray the "Self truth" of Iboga' If you wish her to kill the pain' she shall' if you wish her to kill the craving' she shall' if you wish her to beat endorphine depletion' you are sorely mistaken' This is Iboga' Your choice' Bliss! Nobu +
With the snow here being so debilitating..... I have to admit, my heart goes out to the junkies who cant get their fix..... Not enough rehab beds here to help. My sister is a h addict... cant cop a thing. She is really suffering. This is good and bad at the same time. She is begging to go thru a tx herself. She actually is on day 5 now and today was able to eat some soup. We have discuss this many times in the last 6 months. Yet... till now I was not seeing any effort on her part. She did get bld wk/ekg...then stop talking to me. Praying on it.
Sorry to hear your sis is hurting...I can certainly relate to those feelings. Like you said, it's "good and bad". Me and one of my brothers use together and I know how serious and painful that is. Not to mention it's quite a shocking mirror...Holding good thoughts for you and yours. Keep doin' it sister!
Do you ever feel like we are "cheating" with Iboga?... Not that I havnt gone thru wd... way too many times I care to count or remember. I hear my sisters pain.... dont understand why she hasnt RAN her ass to Mexico like I did 8 mo ago....I do love her so.
Now there's a question! My answer is an emphatic 'NO' - there's certainly nothing easy about an iboga tx, and it was placed here right in front of us for this very reason IMO. I've considered this possibility also, 'am I cheating?' No way sister, no way. However- I have known of 'cases' as it were, of people misusing this stuff, like using it to bump your (opiate) tolerance down so you can use less with the same effect - or knowing that this treatment is there to do 'as many times as I need it'...which is a slippery slope: yes it takes many people more than one treatment for it to stick, but to rationalize it so that one can continue on with destructive behavior with no respect for this medicine and no work being put in on our end is dangerous. This is the only way I would consider it 'cheating'
Hehehe' Cheating ? It takes 10 days to kick short acting' with or without Iboga' Where is the cheating in that! You still got to work it and want it !! Endorphine depletion is the same with or without Iboga' ie cold when you come back' Why would you concider it cheating to partake of a plant to step on a plant' this is of what plant alies are for' to help us and teach us! Bliss! Nobu +
well.... I am way pass 10 days and still cold as shit. Still sweat but this is no way near as bad as ct off opiates. I was watching the video's from the conference. I heard one guy say he takes iboga weekly... 200mgs. Not that I think I can handle that at this stage of my recovery. The thought of taking any ibogain right now is not appealing at all. I was wondering what you'll thought about this. I am coming up to 30 days since my tx. I am feeling pretty good. Confident with staying clean now. No cravings.. the thoughts fly in and right out again. I am still having the cold arms, slight chills/sweats. Sleep has not return to normal but the last time it took me nearly three months to be able to sleep 6 hours. I am happy with 3-4 hours without using any sleep aids. I dont want to use anything to help me sleep... I just dont want to wake up anything in my brain. I do see where my energy level is leaving me early in the day.. but I can deal.
Awesome stuff' you shall be out in the next few days' the flushing is normal endorphine depletion' Imagine if what it would be like off methadone' and then you know you got it easy' Lots of hot food darling' and get out and walk about' i know it feels like shit' but the more you can re-adjust your thrmostat' the easier it gets' 14 days for short acting' max' I found it only takes 3 days to deregulate them receptors for 6-7 days' glotton for punishement' Hot baths N' showers' Stick with it darling' most awesome stuff' Much love and light! Nobu + After Iboga' self truth comes in shivers and goosebumps' this sis normal' even 6 years down the line' this is normal' Bliss! Nsala Malekun Basse'
Hiya sister! It's good to hear from you - coming up on 30 days WOOT! That is kickass...you know, I'm following this thread pretty close and I see where you still are having chills and such - I bet alot of that has to do with the shit ass winter, man. It's like that for me. It makes it difficult to get off my arse and exercise and I don't need any help being demotivated where that's concerned! Some low impact stuff like an elliptical or something may be the ticket? Ever think about hitting a tanning bed? It works for Seasonal affective Disorder (SAD) what a clever name eh? I was going to wait until spring to do my stuff for alot of these same reasons, but I went ahead anyway because I had an opportunity. I have also tried what they call 'microdosing' of ibogaine - taking it in minuscule doses daily for a week to see what 'is up'...looking back I think the daily dosing was too much, because after the fourth day I started to get a little spun out feeling and sleep was difficult. But I do think that a small weekly dose is not only appropriate but probably a good idea where folks like me (hardheaded opiate fiend) are concerned. I guess this serves to keep certain levels high enough to help but not so high as to inebriate. Thanks for sharing all this with us and I am glad you're doing well...keep it up my friend!