Low dose detox? Any experiences? Mayday!

Well friend, I think lower dose detoxes can work, but even if taken sub-flood - the doses you may require would probably affect your normal perceptions, to the point of being unable to drive, and maybe work. You say have kids to look after? This could be tricky. Most of the time these small (micro) doses are used post-flood to fend off any lingering WD. Micro dosing is less than what we use for a 'booster'...I consider a good booster about 1/4 or so of the flood dose -of course this is variable - and micro doses are so small as to be practically imperceptible... You could certainly try it - have you a good idea of the potency of the particular batch of RB you got? Perhaps as little as a gram at a time will fend off the bulk of the cravings, and have little effect on your cognitive faculties...using low doses is also a cumulative process, you may feel comfortable enough in your perceptions,etc for the first couple of doses only to begin having visual distortions or other perceptual changes that come 'suddenly' on you. If you are familiar with the effects of this particular batch at a given dose, try a gram or two to see if that abates any WD or cravings, and a light dose of a benzo might aid this too without inebriating you. I feel for your situation man, its a tough one. How long have you waited on the pods? Mind if I ask which vendor? I guess you've already contacted them - or do you have a tracking number? I love it when that kind of shit happens, it's never a good time to get jerked around. Your opiate dose isn't extraordinarily high, but I know too that you can only expect to go so long without it making you really uncomfortable - if you have the luxury of a day or two with little or minimal responsibilities you could get away with dosing a decent amount of bark - but still beneath flood doses, and that would surely be of some help...sorry I don't have more concrete suggestions man, this is a bit sticky, and I wish you all the best. Try the lowest active dose of rootbark and if it doesn't make you wobbly and effect your decision making, you might be able to put a few days under your belt before you know it. Good luck friend!

Exactly Cal, my thoughts on it are much like yours read: maybe.. kind-of.. possibly.. difficult. Pods were from morpop** (**=py, ridiculous attempt to have this not picked up by any search) and sent Thursday. No tracking updates since then. Lady at the post office hasn't a clue but is certain no more mail will arrive today. I've had some Norco and a 1/2 gram of RB and feel fine other than the complete state of panic anticipating what will come this evening. My concern is much like yours, that there will come a time when a 1/2 won't cut it, and cumulatively I will sooner or later find myself in a state unable to do much other than lay in bed. I don't have to work per se, as clients can leave messages and emails and here back sooner or later. Anyway fuck work. It's the child care I feel I'll be quickly unable to keep up with, one stays at home the other I need pick up and drop off at the bus. My partner gets home in the evenings. It is always trying, this life. It's nothing but ridiculous the number of times I've been in thou not this situation the same basic need for opiates to do anything situation. Fuck fuck fuck. I hate to bring this to iboga or to this site, this tension confusion and desperation. It is what it is. Except this time, my needs need to come second.

Low doses of iboga will remove withdrawal, but it will make it harder to sleep, it will only last so long, and the doses to keep it away for long, will start to cause you to get pretty affected by the trip.  It might be an option while you wait for the pods to come in.  And honestly, even in larger doses, doing stuff around the house isn't too tough.  I can easily eat a gram of TA and function just fine, although major things that require lots of focus and concentration can become more difficult.  BTW, I'd recommend poppyspods.com for pods, as he is very prompt, reliable, and ships priority, so it rarely ever takes more than 2-3 days..

I really like you/us folks on here. It's the 'meeting' I've always dreamed of... lets see where you're at, and see where we can go from there... All is well, thou well may be a poor choice of words.. My partner now has the next two days off (I can kill a timeclock like nobodys business). As of this evening I'm free to eat wood as needed. And the wood is good. I kicked a habit this size and duration with 10 grams of it. And like a fuckin cocksucker idiot, here we are again. Blessed be.

damn dude - you might be my doppelganger...hehe. Whew that shit sounds familiar! Bring it on dude...life ain't a bowl of cherries, we're keepin' it real... I'm glad you got a chance to have a bit of time to negotiate this - if you've kicked a similar habit with 10g of bark, that's awesome. last time I did a flood sized dose a friend gave me a good quantity to do it with, and I had planned on eating 30g because I did not want to go through the hassles and time it would take to extract it. Plus I had eaten 30g once before. This time however I could only get in 24g and it was RANCID dude...I still shudder thinking about eating that much wood. No way - next time a big dose happens I'll pull it out with vinegar first for sure. screw eating all that mulch. But after i got the first ten grams in, I was real surprised at how strong it was building...my knees were already knocking and I had big time vertigo/ataxia....and I was only 1/3 of the way into it! So yeah 10g can be a powerful dose. many people are sensitive to the material, and root bark varies so much from batch to batch, although generally it is accepted that most 'commercial' bark is around 4% alkaloids. I love GD and have much respect for his advice and experiences but he's probably the only dude I know that can take the doses he does and still do anything other than puke and roll boogers....I mean that with respect by the way. I agree too about his suggestion for the pod vendor. We will be working toward sponsorship here very soon so that we can point members directly to reputable suppliers for their needs instead of all the trial and error BS that one encounters out in cyberspace. Some folks got no scruples man. Hopefully within a week we will have something like this operational. Good to hear back from you and best of luck man!

My thoughts are with you, b. Seems like the universe worked to give you the time you need. If you've kicked with 10g of wood before, you can do it again, right? Then, you can donate the pods, cuz you won't need 'em. No shame here, b. You said it, it is what it is. I've never seen someone kick with booster size doses, but I have heard of it. Basically 200-400g active alkaloids every time w/d shows it's head, until it doesn't show anymore. Kinda like waiting out the normal length you'd be in w/d, but without the symptoms. (I'm sure there are other 'protocols', this is the way I've heard). Of course at those doses you likely won't be in the best place to take care of kids. Unless you are GD, then you can take care of kids while making music, cooking dinner and answering emails. Keep us posted. Tia

B, as for your comment about bringing your current problem to the forum: I thank you for it! I'm very glad you came here to talk about it. I'm happy that you're getting help and support, but you should know that this kind of thing helps me too! It helps to remind me that just because I have some Iboga experience under my belt now, that doesn't mean I can get lazy about my continued sobriety. It's certainly an ongoing process. So thank you, and I wish you the strength and wisdom you'll need to get through your situation. My prayers are with you tonight. Also, glad to hear you saying you need to put the kids first. Sounds like you're thinking straight.

My wife just kicked a poppy seed tea habit with small doses over a few days. She took around 1/3g of TA for three days straight, skipped the forth and then took another 1/3rd on the 5th day. She wasn't feeling 100% that whole time, and like it was mentioned before sleep can be a bitch, but she made it through and we have about 2 weeks clean today.

Hi bravemeadow82, Glad to hear that your wife did TX without too many problems.  In a way this might be a good TX for those too sick or have medical reasons for not wanting to do a flood.  Best to you and wife,  cinderpath

On my relapse (small habit also) I did small doses and it did well....  It was HCL but I did about 400mg ea over a period of three days.....  I was able to function, didnt drive a car but could clean house, eat and drink on my own....  it did prolong going without sleep but kept busy.  I did sweat/chill but very doable.  I did have some one with me but he had not done iboga himself.  Was kinda useless.  I didnt flood due to this...  it worked for me.   I am guessing with rb your doses would have to be higher.  I really dont have experience with RB, only ta and hcl.  Soon I will though. Good luck.  I do wish we had providers in every state to assit in times like this. Thoughts with you

Well? until right very now I had no direct experience with low dose detox. Weird how things happen. I can recommend having benzos around. Like sis said, no sleep except 1/2 hour here, hour there. I learn from y'all, thanks for that. Tia

quick update: couple teaspoons (about 1g each) throughout the day and night, next am pods arrived and took over the regimen. i am no good at detoxing myself. never have been. my brain in its riddled state is no kinda reputable support system. pods are still routine. i must say i find the pods a delightful alternative to the pills-n-needles-n-coping-n-hustling street scene. much more conducive to the somewhat civilian lifestyle i've grown into. i look forward to partaking of the woods when the set and setting manifest. till then, a spot of tea.. having last detoxed a 3 year suboxone (plus anything and everything else i could get my hands on) habit, i imagine detoxing the pods will be a much smoother experience.

Thanks for the update. I'm very happy to hear the pods are working for you, and you're not forced to be out copping off the street. That's never a very safe scene out there. Hang in there!

i tried a low dose detox with ta about 3 months ago,it did work ,but i still had cravings & started to have sciatica & caved,got on pods.man i got tired of making that tea everyday! eric told me it was an insufficient amount,but stubborn me didnt listen,but i think having it in me got me ready to do another real flood-koko

koko...  I believe I need to face the demon of smoking.  I am going to start preparing my self for flood again in the next 6 weeks.  I wish you good things from your next flood. I may have questions about pods for a fellow addict to switch from sub..  I have not read all that is avail here so will start there.

sister,wishing you the best getting ready to kick -tbaky's ass! i have always been repulsed to the enth about ciggies,my special   prejudice,but then i couldnt play or laugh hard b/c i got asthma as a kid living with 2 chain smokers (pall malls-do they still make them?).once i left home,my asthma went away,no doubt some what psychosomatic as well..let me know if i can help in any way-koko

okay chic..... I do needs some understanding on the POD and how it worked for you.....  Sent you my phone/email address

now to answer my own question, my low dose detox story.. lil over 2 weeks ago i took 400mgs hcl followed nearly everyday since with bark. 2 days after the 400mg i did a 250mg booster. wood consumption has varied as within 8-12 hrs after taking the initial hcl, i ate 10-30 caps (of which my friends estimates he fits 300mgs in each), and lately closer to 2-6 caps a day, skipped a couple days.. my overall feeling is good, especially with the wood in me, which at this point i often need balanse a bit with ganja food or a benzo or herbal concoction of choice (western botanicals de-stress blend, theanine serene w/gaba holy basil), anxiety comes and goes.. i certainly dont feel the same as after a 2g hcl detox, the proverbial 'reset'.. i was on, and diggin on white sugar within days.. takin it as it comes 'gettin cleans the easy part, now here comes life..' Waylon (steve earle) in The Wire. Walk into splintered sunlight~

My wife detoxed off poppy seed tea by taking about a third of a gram of TA for three or four days straight. Seemed to work pretty well at alleviating withdrawls.