tabernaemontana undulata

Hmmmm.. Well I think it's very interested if Ibogaine is also found in plants that grow in the Amazon! Neato.. However, I just did some fairly extensive searching on Becchete and Tabernaemontana Undulata, and other than that Wiki article, which is based off an article out of an issue of National Geographic magazine, I can't find anything.. I've found a few sites that DO reference the plant as part of the family and genus that wiki says it in.. But as far as it containing Ibogaine, or the Becchete thing they're talking about applying.. I can't find a thing. I'm not saying I think it's bogus or anything, but obviously there's not much info on this out there.. And crazy.. Did you read that whole article? It says they apply it to their eyes (ouch!) because the visual effects help them distinguish animals from their surroundings when hunting, and "the effects are reported to be long term lasting days or weeks, not just hours".. And that article is also not the first time I've seen Ibogaine listed as an aphrodisiac in small doses... Hmmmm.. Ideas. Hahaha..

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01490a031 and while your reading http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np0105432

Wow, nice find Rav, thanks!

I first heard about it from "Tracy Blevins: Ibogaine from other Iboga family plants" at the Iboga conference at Northeastern University in 2009. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGVe_JDrH0 I am interested to apply this on my eyes, as well as its purported anxiolytic effects. And yes, iboga is DEFINITELY AN APHRODISIAC in low doses I only use about 50-100mg of the TA but they are the best seductive and in-tune nights ever.

It is mentioned in the Ibogaine TIHKAL entry, by Alexander Shulgin. Tabernaemontanta is not actually a genus but a "sub-family", and therefore also classified  as "Tabernaemontanoidae". that may turn up some more results too. He reports that only some of the several dozen or so plants in this sub family contain ibogaine, others may have analgesic or sedative properties. I haven't seen any of that plant available for sale myself... but Voacanga root bark, which is legal in the United States and a pretty commonly sold entheogen, contains a very small amount of ibogaine. If you have access to a chemistry set and a little chem knowledge, the extraction process looks pretty easy.  is there a good way to post attachments, like a .pdf file? i have a great journal article on this to share.

Ya!  I have heard of a Tabernaemontana species being used as an ayahuasca admixture, which spurred my limited investigation into ibohuasca.

Some matses treatments (they call it Becchete) to possibly accompany Kambo, I'll try and figure it out and do experiments... When applied directly to the eye, Becchete has the effect of giving the environment greater texture and dimension, making it easier to spot animals during hunting. The effects are reported to be long-term, lasting days or weeks, not just a few hours. In addition to visual enhancement, there is also an increase in energy.

Hi, I 've recently got some Tabernaemontana sananho aka Shiric Sanango. I think it is also relevant as an ayahuasca admixture as source of ibogaine. What's your experience, thoughts about this plant also ?

My experience is to be moderate and careful when adding a Tabernaemontana to your brews but at the same time put in a healthy portion.  I just started working with T. Sananho and am really into it's energy I want to do a dieta with it.  But T. Undulata has different properties indoles and alkaloids.  I am getting enthused about the species and will likely dive in full fledged to research them with these books... Series of revisions of Apocynaceae XXI Essence of T.sananho...

I'm very interested in any more light you can shed on T. undulata & sanhano. effects, dose, duration. experiences? don't be shy  any info on whether or not these species seem to be free of any toxins?

I'm really looking deeply into it and will be doing an in depth study.  I will share whatever I learn about Iboga's children.  I found a book on T. Undulata but it is very expensive for the minuscule 68 pages but I believe this where the wikipedia info is derived from... Also I will begin writing directly to the M.A.T.S.E.S organization and enquire about what they know. As far as T. Sananho it is mainly added to Aya to enhance the ability to remember the experience.  This is very interesting as when one recalls there Iboga flood every detail can be precisely recalled even years afterwords.  Aya on the other hand, as many know is quite fleeting to remember the lessons hence T. Sananho meets the eye.  Once doing one of my obsessive searches that I sometimes do I came upon a site focusing heavily on T.Sananho dietas and nearly all of it's abilities.  Of course now I can't find the link, it was one of those late late late miracles that are hard to duplicate. I promise nothing will be witheld, we're a healing family built on sharing.  Now I'll look for that one link again so I can scratch my itch. -IP

They way it sounds to me, is that the content of the book is derived from a range of wikipedia articles and compiled into one book?

I believe it refers to tabernaemontana sananho (uchu sanango), I have just now asked them it's botanical identity, wait and see...

are you guys talking about putting ibogaine in your eye???

here it says "Chiric Sanango (Brunfelsia grandiflora)"

Look what I just found: http://www.erowid.org/plants/brunfelsia/ Its not about Ibogaine in Sanago at all, but scopoletin which all the effects come from. I believe because two plants has been called with one name, there were misinformation out there. Thank you coldspring for sanango diet article  I think this plant is awesome and should try it soon

I think we should wait a bit...when I asked them if it was T.Sananho(Uchu Sanango) they said it wasn't but that they do utilize Uchu Sanango.  They said they don't know the botanical name of this Sanango in the dieta extradonaire. Now because I can't leave it also I have asked them if it is Shiric Sanango (Brunselsia Grandifolia)---the baddest ass mf in the forest. I will post there response, but I am guessing now this Sanango is altogether different...at least I hope. Untapped healing potentials of infinitude IP

But which Sanango is this Sanango? Well it smells like Sanango it looks like Sanango it must be... I have no fucking idea yet?

So he was just testing me, when I would not giving up asking him about it over and over he finally caved in.  It's Iboga's very tall son T. Sananho aka Uchu Sanango full botanical name of tabernaemontana sananho. Here is what he finally says after 4 times of me asking, it is kind of funny I can sense him being like oookkkkaaaayyy here it is... "We use Uchu sanango for the diet. Please be aware though, that you cannot take it on your own and have it be medicine. It only becomes medicine in the hands of a medicine shaman who has spent years training with the plants and knows how to work with the medicine spirits. Taking sanango on your own could be very dangerous to your health and I would strongly recommend that you do not do so".   Regards Mark

I see, here is all their plants name They have listed 3 different Sanango plant, Brunselsia Grandifolia included too. all three use is the same  and one another person in the same boat hehe

Got an answer from nixipae.com who they provide Sanango diet... "Hello, about your dude... the Sanango is a family of plants... for diet is possible to use some diferents... but most common is CHIRIC SANANGO (Brunfelsia grandiflora), the most powerful... Uchu Sanango is less powerfull, my teacher always said that Uchu Sanango is a plant for lazy dogs... for hunting... i dont know if was a joke... well, we use always Chiric Sanango... blessings and i hope to answer your question   Fernando Oubiña www.nixipae.com info@nixipae.com "Do what you love, live where you love, pray where you love, follow your heart". (Babaji)"

"Sanango, a word that essentially means "memory," is a name given to a number of Amazonian plants (Schultes 1979,186)" "Tabernaemontana sananho Ruiz et Pavon--sanango In Amazonia, the sanango tree, which can grow as tall as 5 meters, is regarded as a cure-all; the leaves, the root, and the latex-rich bark are all used in folk medicine. (Schultes 1979, 187 ff.) The leaves of the tree are used psychoactively as an additive to ayahuasca and also are combined with Virola spp. to produce an orally efficacious hallucinogen. The plant is also called uch pa huasca sanango and it is known as a "memory plant," a reference to the fact that its inclusion in a psychoactive preparation cases a person to better remember the experiences he or she has has while under the influence of that preparation.  It is added to ayahuasca so that a person can, afterward, more clearly recall the visions he or she saw. In Ecuador, the plant is known as sikta and is available in raw form (short branch pieces) at local markets. The Jibaro drip the freshly pressed juice intothe nostrils of their dogs so that they may be better able to locate prey. The plant is also known as yacu zanango.296 It is rich in alkaloids (Schultes 1983a, 270*)." "Tabernaemontana tetrastachys H.B.K.-uchusanango, saticu The Makuna Indians call this plant bee-e-ge and use its latex as stimulating eyedrops (cf. Tabernanthe iboga). A few drops is said to dispel tiredness and sleep (Schultes 1979, 189)." from The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants by Christian Rätsch. Now we can see the correlation to the statement of sanango being useful for lazy hunting dogs. I'm guessing Tabernaemontana sananho is synonymous with Tabernaemontana undulata?

What do you think of this species? https://www.heavenly-products.com/cart/tabernaemontana-divaricata-crape-jasmine-cutting-p-1570.html?osCsid=e04cce42d3b54f2f1e0e44ff059fba12 also sanhano description located here: https://www.heavenly-products.com/cart/tabernaemontana-sananho-uchu-sanango-cutting-p-2482.html?osCsid=e04cce42d3b54f2f1e0e44ff059fba12 http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=3716 I had links of tests/list of constituents found in the plants but i lost them due to my other computer fucking up. Which tabernaemontana species seem most promising to you? sanhano ,divaricata, & orientalis all look pretty promising to me.

http://www.puzzlepiece.org/ibogaine/041697.html This makes Daturicarpa elliptica look interesting and Tabernanthe pubescens look VERY interesting...

KIAP, I got the wood of shiric sanango do you got that also or leaves ?

The root is the more potent medicine but remember we have to be real specific this is Uchu Sanango aka Tabernaemontana Sananho but you are right it is also called Shiric Sanango but that is sometimes when it gets confused with Chiric Sanango so I don't call it that for that reason.  It is a cousin of Iboga and I believe what they make the psychoactively healing eyedrops out of in the Amazon, they call it Becchete by the Matses and the Kaxinawa people in Brazil call it Sananga.  This remedy has great potential to heal the eyes aka soul.  I am hunting to figure it out.  This is one of the main reasons I do Kambo so much so I can find this remedy since they won't share it with us.  I will track it down so I have a happy death/life. You want the root.  You got it from Maya and got the wood but to my understanding this would be like getting the wood of Iboga instead of the ROOT.  In other words how else can I say it but it will pale in comparison to the true healing element. If you want the root as Kiwiboancaya for the Uchu Sanango aka Tabernaemontana Root, and say your friend recommended them to you.  They are busy harvesting it as we speak so if you ask in a reasonably soon time they will be very conducive to your request.  It is not yet listed on their site yet but soon.  It is $39/kg.  Here are some sources to back up my first paragraph... https://ibogaine.club/community/using-aspirin-with-iboga http://www.amazon-indians.org/Matis-Video-01.html ----For that last link go to the Shaman's Way video towards the bottom and at seconds 20-35 you will see Becchete/Sananga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB5MMJ2yaBo Hit me up for furthers if you desire, I am always loving to share and learn. :::-::KIAP:::-::  (i like that rOm)

It is now know uncontested in my spirit that the Tabernaemonta Undulata is what they use to make both Becchete and Sananga.  My sources have granted permission to sell me some of the roots and I learned how to extract watching this video called "The Shaman's Way".  I will then add 40% vegetable glycerin as a stabalizer.  They will not allow me to sell or give the root but will allow me to sell or give the finished and very safely tested on myself end product eye drops.  In about 1-2 months will be available this new ancient technology for the vision of humanity in the form of eye drops.  My work of culminations might be coming true granted I further my studies with Grandmother Earth.  Here is a better wikepedia source which proved to be hard to find about the exact identity of the plant (root).  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernaemontana_undulata When applied directly to the eye, Becchete has the effect of giving the environment greater texture and dimension, making it easier to spot animals during hunting. The effects are reported to be long-term, lasting days or weeks, not just a few hours. In addition to visual enhancement, there is also an increase in energy. On application, the eyes sting, however this would be expected considering that Becchete is extracted with Amazonian river water that is high in tannic acid, which on its own would sting and burn the eyes. In the Amazonian Ethnobotanical Dictionary by James A. Duke and Rodolfo Vásquez, it is reported that Amazonian Indians from the Ticuna tribe mix the latex from a closely related species, Tabernaemontana sananho, with water in order to treat eye wounds.[1] In addition to be applied to the eyes as the Matis and Ticuna tribes do, it is most commonly taken orally by the Matsés. The principle active ingredient in Tabernaemontana is Ibogaine, a naturally occurring psychoactive compound. Ibogaine is used in pain management and to treat opiate addiction. In addition, it is used to facilitate psychological introspection and spiritual exploration. In low dosages, Ibogaine is a stimulant and aphrodisiac, while in larger amounts it is a divinatory medicine, similar to both Ayahuasca and Peyote. Scott Wallace of National Geographic was the first person to report the use of this indigenous Amazonian medicine by the Matis tribe.[2]Dan James Pantone, one of the founders of the Movement in the Amazon for Tribal Subsistence and Economic Sustainability (MATSES), discovered that the Matsés tribe also uses Becchete. In September 2008, Pantone collected plant samples from the Amazon rainforest in the Matsés Indian Territory in the region of the Yaquerana River on the border of Peru with Brazil. Working together with other botanists at the Universidad Nacional de la Amazonía Peruana (UNAP) in Iquitos, Peru, he was able to identify the plant species as Tabernaemontana undulata, part of the Tabernaemontana genus and the Apocynaceae plant family. Pantone has produced a documentary video showing the Matis using Becchete as a traditional medicine.[

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Kambogahuasca, after you give that stuff a shot and report back, I'd go ahead and try it out!

Sure thing, I'd be honered.

i would love to try it too !!!

Anyone interested in these eye drops from the Tabernaemontana Undulata Roots please let me know.  It is known as Becchete by the Matsis in Peru and by Sananga by the Kaxinawa and also by the Yawanawa.  For the time being I will be getting it direct from the Yawanawa people to learn the exact mixture.  In the future I will be making my own.  At first the price will be rather expensive, half the profits will go to IRIE for the dissimenation of Iboga seeds around the world.  Also available is Rape' a very sacred snuff made by both the Kaxinawa and the Yawanawa.  Here is the description given of the Rape'... "This rapé has the strongest cleansing effect from all the rapés i have tried and it is a very powerful and beautiful aid to kambo and ayahuasca." As well is available a very sacred form of prepared Kambo, which for the time being I will not be purchasing unless others request it, here is it's description... " As for the kambo sticks we can ask you for 80 dolars for a stick. These are harvested in full moon to assure the strongest medicine. They also are marked so you know when you are working with a male or a female." The people that prepare these sacraments, the Yawanawa, use Kambo, Sananga, Ayahuasca and Rape'.  These are very special times we are living in.  Please let me know so I can reserve some, it will be another month at least until it is in stock but the earlier I know the better so I know if I should order more. I already have the Sananga reserved for HP, JBG, GD, Moyshe, Cal.  Anyone else please let me know so I can make reservations. Here is a description translated... The Sananga is a feast for the eyes Indian. Indigenous peoples have a different organization of the white man for such use Sananga in order to cure panema, a kind of "bad luck", "disgrace" and "misfortune" that sometimes involves the Indians. Disability, perhaps the best interpretation. But the Indians also use the Sananga to cure bacterial diseases of the eye such as conjunctivitis, stye, eye irritation and redness. Use a long time to heal and prevent cataracts. Indian Kaxinawá applying Sananga Indian Kaxinawá applying Sananga Indian Kaxinawá applying Sananga The juice of Sananga has a greenish-brown and smelled burnt. When eye drops burns for approximately 3 minutes as a drop fall into the eye pepper, followed by a lightness and softness eye. During the burning caused by Sananga, one feels that the area of ??the forehead, where the gland and also focuses epífese phlegm, is being stirred energetically and makes the phlegm and headaches are readily cleared. The phlegm, such as rhinitis and sinusitis are automatically removed as Sananga during application. When a person opens his eyes see the world more colorful and lively, and focuses on images of the material world with more precision and clarity. Sananga is highly effective for people who have eye problems. The Sananga not physically correct eye problems, but fixes energy these diseases, because we understand that all illness is psychosomatic, rising first feelings of the individual layer and further influence the energy of the organ in question is manifested in the body thick material. Thus, when applied, the Sananga dilutes the thought forms and energies negative and disharmonious energy that surrounds the body and healing energy of the eye diseases of the eye such as nearsightedness, farsightedness, astigmatism, amblyopia, aphakia, dry eye, photophobia and prevents cataracts , glaucoma, presbyopia and keratoconus. Besides opening the energy channels of human vision for Interior and Exterior Superior. From the head down a subtle energy and favorable to keep open the chakras, the aura expands and keep the person centered and balanced emotionally, mentally and spiritually. Sananga For us, ancient shamans, the panema is a cluster of energies that are present on the disqualified person's energy body, accumulated through a sedentary lifestyle, and drizzled with negative thoughts and habits harmful to physical health, emotional , mental and spiritual, which weigh the energy body of the individual, leaving him listless, dejected, sad, depressed, stressed and physically heavy, preventing the successful person in your relationships, work and life goals as a whole. Through Sananga this load of negative energy is automatically eliminated, as if the person is passed through an energy shock treatment, subtly, feeling light, lively, capable and refreshed after application. It is recommended for all people, sex and age. The sooner the person receiving the Sananga less problems like eye and vision will be. Thanks, Sanambogahuascape' Panacea...just kidding still the trinity Kambogahuasca, but who knows I haven't met these sacraments yet.

Howdy patientorchard, How does it help the eye.  Like does it prevent or treat Pink Eye, glaucoma, sty, cataracts or what in particular. Just Curious   cinderpath

It's like Kambo but for the eyes in some sort of way.  It isn't Kambo but it has similar ways of cleansing energy fields while at the same time healing eye problems... The Sananga is a feast for the eyes Indian. Indigenous peoples have a different organization of the white man for such use Sananga in order to cure panema, a kind of "bad luck", "disgrace" and "misfortune" that sometimes involves the Indians. Disability, perhaps the best interpretation. But the Indians also use the Sananga to cure bacterial diseases of the eye such as conjunctivitis, stye, eye irritation and redness. Use a long time to heal and prevent cataracts. Indian Kaxinawá applying Sananga Indian Kaxinawá applying Sananga Indian Kaxinawá applying Sananga The juice of Sananga has a greenish-brown and smelled burnt. When eye drops burns for approximately 3 minutes as a drop fall into the eye pepper, followed by a lightness and softness eye. During the burning caused by Sananga, one feels that the area of ??the forehead, where the gland and also focuses epífese phlegm, is being stirred energetically and makes the phlegm and headaches are readily cleared. The phlegm, such as rhinitis and sinusitis are automatically removed as Sananga during application. When a person opens his eyes see the world more colorful and lively, and focuses on images of the material world with more precision and clarity. Sananga is highly effective for people who have eye problems. The Sananga not physically correct eye problems, but fixes energy these diseases, because we understand that all illness is psychosomatic, rising first feelings of the individual layer and further influence the energy of the organ in question is manifested in the body thick material. Thus, when applied, the Sananga dilutes the thought forms and energies negative and disharmonious energy that surrounds the body and healing energy of the eye diseases of the eye such as nearsightedness, farsightedness, astigmatism, amblyopia, aphakia, dry eye, photophobia and prevents cataracts , glaucoma, presbyopia and keratoconus. Besides opening the energy channels of human vision for Interior and Exterior Superior. From the head down a subtle energy and favorable to keep open the chakras, the aura expands and keep the person centered and balanced emotionally, mentally and spiritually. Sananga For us, ancient shamans, the panema is a cluster of energies that are present on the disqualified person's energy body, accumulated through a sedentary lifestyle, and drizzled with negative thoughts and habits harmful to physical health, emotional , mental and spiritual, which weigh the energy body of the individual, leaving him listless, dejected, sad, depressed, stressed and physically heavy, preventing the successful person in your relationships, work and life goals as a whole. Through Sananga this load of negative energy is automatically eliminated, as if the person is passed through an energy shock treatment, subtly, feeling light, lively, capable and refreshed after application. It is recommended for all people, sex and age. The sooner the person receiving the Sananga less problems like eye and vision will be.

very interesting to hear this. ty

I've had some of this after an ayahuasca and kambo ceremony. It was in the form of a tincture and dropped into the eyes. Burns pretty strongly but starts to subside a bit after a minute or so, hang on in there! I really did feel amazing for a few weeks after this particular session, an amazing synergy going on between these medicines!

What are the active chemical/alkaloid components in sananga?

I don't know.  I sure ain't sending it to a lab either.  Tabernaemontana Undulata Roots...find it's alkaloidal components and you have your answer.  Maybe I can send some of my Undulata roots to the lab.  Depends on if it seems profitable to do so.  As is I have too much money tied up and not enough coming back to do something like that.

many lab reports have been done http://www.puzzlepiece.org/ibogaine/literature/vanbeek1984.pdf http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378874111003576 The alkaloids in the plant include, voacangine, voaphylline, see below https://ibogaine.club/blog/voacangine-coronaridine-ibogaine-connection