43mg/kg dose

I don't think the TA is 65% ibogaine, it's 65% alkaloids, of which probably 60-70% is ibogaine.  The other alkaloids don't have the same effects.  4 grams of IW's TA sounds like it's probably plenty for you.  If you are extremely sensitive, you might not need that much.  You weigh less than I do, I am about 73 Kg, and 5 grams would probably be a decent dose of TA for me..  What you can do is split that 4 grams up over 4 hours to gradually get it in.  If after 3 hours you are having full on visions and stuff, then save the last gram..  Since you are not detoxing from opiates, you might be a bit more responsive to the effects.  With TA, the trip builds slower and lasts a little longer..  You can just ramp it up as needed.  I suggest you keep eating it until you are having visions, but you have to go by how you feel.  That's why it can be a good idea to have someone experienced with iboga administer it.  You can do it yourself, but it's a little more difficult without having any experience.  Sometimes it's hard to eat another capsule when the trip is kicking in, but it might be needed for the full experience.  This will be left up to you..

thanks for the insight gratefuldad:)

Also: I love Michelle, but myself, and a few others, think that the doses she's been recommending are a ways on the high side. Glad you came here to check first. 43mg/kg isn't likely to be fatal or anything like that, but holy crap that's a huge dose.

They sound okay to me..

We DEFINITELY need to be careful dosing this medicine...it is good that you asked this. GD is correct about the TA - a 65% TA means that the total combined alkaloids in that extract equal 65% {a mixture of ibogaine and its analogues}. Still, when dosing a TA, find out the (PURPORTED) %  and dose the full spectrum like you would HCL.   This confuses a lot of people but really it is simple and prudent to dose this way - because of that 65% only part of it is ibogaine, the remaining alks are also active and do work in much the same way as ibogaine. They tend to spread the experience out and IMO 'soften' it. Since the other alks in the TA profile are also active you want to calculate dose as if it were 65% ibogaine,  then you can get your mg/kg right. This is prudent, and a good way to keep the doses safe. If one tried to fumble around and guess at how much of a TA or PTA is ibogaine they might screw it up and dose too high. 43/mg/kg is NOT recommended. Calculate a dose of 20-25mg/kg based on the 2.6g of pure alks in the extract. If you are not where you want to be after consuming the pre measured dose of 20-25mg/kg, slowly increase until you feel you have done enough. You likely will not need it all and have some left for boosters. Not everyone is looking for a lot of visions - especially for addiction interruption. Some people are disappointed if they do not get a visionary experience. This is strong medicine and at the least it will provide you deep insights even if you don't get whacked over the head with an epiphany. For your own reasons of dealing with anxiety and panic attacks, I think a mega dose might well prove uncomfortable, you can achieve good and lasting results with a safer, more comfortable dose of 20mg'kg. ALWAYS err on the side of caution with this stuff. I weary of the back and forth discussions here lately concerning what people should and should not take. We have a responsibility first and foremost to SAFETY and this forum is here to share information on an obscure and little understood medicine that is still largely experimental...I would not want anyone out there to go overboard becuase of careless information gleaned from our board. The VAST majority of people use ibogaine in the 18-25mg/kg range. I will not recommend doses higher than that, especially for a novice - sometimes it is necessary to do a treatment more than once: this, I feel, is more important than going overboard trying to "cram" a first session... for panic issues I would recommend doing a dose in the 20 mg/kg range. This medicine works simultaneously on many levels. The bio-chemical  action of iboga is unmatched by anything else in the world, the only thing that comes close in this regard is ayahuasca. Ibogaine has very unique properties in regard to alleviating anxieties, refractory depression and stress. Even if visions aren't experienced at normal doses (or on the first excursion), the neuro-chemical changes still take effect, so you should certainly experience relief of your symptoms.

calaquendi is very right visions are not the goal with ibogaine  if one wants visions there are many other tryptamines that can SHOW you visions many trytamines show you a lot about yourself, life, etc but they do not change anything the goal with iboga is a RESET i have watched over 40 people this year and the visions are not a necessary part of the reset the goal is to eat enough to get the reset what most people call flood on the smallest amount possible past this point just makes for a longer harder landing just my opinion

If one checks all of the research out there the same figures come up 10 mg / kilo for non detox 20 mg / kilo for detox using 99 % ibogaine for a 60 kilo man would be .6 gm for non detox 1.2 for detox the known dosage for indra was 4x this 2.4 for non detox 4.8 for detox (i have found 4 - 5 for non detox; and 5 -7 for detox as more accurate as sometimes you need to give more) using 50% TA the figures would come out to 1.2 for non detox and 2.4 for detox (yes - 4 gm is VERY high and not needed) i have found the term non detox not so applicable from experience i have found that in most cases the reset is the goal and thus the amount needed for non detox people is only slightly lower than the detox figures

I am going by the IW TA I ate.  Unless it is much different now, I guarantee 4 grams would be just fine for me.  I ate a gram of that TA and went to a festival and hung out all day.  So I don't know, if it's gotten much more potent in the last few months, it might be high, but I can only go by my experience.  Also, the visions may or may not be very important, but it's a good indication you have reached a proper dose when they are kicking in full force..  I gave one treatment to a guy kicking poly opioid dependence, and I gave him 5 grams of 40-50% TA, and it worked for detox, but I think he could have gone a bit farther, as does he.  He is not much bigger than I am.  So we may just have insane thresholds, or whatever, but again, I am going by my experience.. On second thought, it has been probably almost a year since that TA was purchased and months since I ate it...  Oh, how the time flies..  But still, it would have to have gotten significantly stronger.  Yeah, and really by all means, just take 2 grams, see how that does for you.  If you ain't there in a couple hours, you can eat more.  It is nice to have it on hand, though.  You have to forgive me because I seriously just need way more, and it's kind of annoying.  People all over talk about doing these normal or small doses and getting all kinds of effects, when I eat twice the normal person easily, on anything there is, and I get a buzz..  So I mean, hopefully you're not an insensitive bastard like I am, but in case you are, I'd get what they recommended, and if you don't need it all, then great, you might want a little booster or something sometime.  It works good as a general tonic in small doses.

I took 35mg/kg of IW 70% TA per the recommendation and it kicked my ass. I had already flooded twice before, but I can say if it was my first time taking that much I would probably never have taken it again.

1 gram of that IW TA is enough to put me in bed for a good 4 hours, easily. GD, you sir are some kind of robot, whose fuel is psychedelics.

HCL on it's own isn't the same as in a natural combination with the other alkaloids as in a root bark or root bark extract.

So Greatful was this TA from Ibogaworld?  TA like rootbark is highly variable in it's strengths when it's not standardized.   I've had one dose that I've floated right through and another in the same amount that caused my vision to vibrate intensely and set my ass down in my bed to facilitate an inward conversation.  I think a big part of what iboga does has to do with a persons ability to listen without distraction and for me a festival isn't a place I'd find conducive to doing that.. to each their own.  The same is true with rootbark.. good rootbark can lay you out for the day at 2 tsp./5grams. Ibogaine can facilitate the reintegration of fragmented personae and heal the underlying emotional/perceptual turmoil within, if we are open to listening with our hearts open.  After this has taken place there is  really no need to revisit the flood in the hopes of finding out what the future holds or to talk with dead people or whatever the hell we are trying to get out of it.  Small doses will take us right back in when it's needed and we are ready.

Well, all I can say is, speak for yourself..  I can sit in a quiet room on a gram and it doesn't give me the effects it does most people.  I had been taking doses of the TA from IbogaWorld, as I chose, for small boosters.  A few half gram doses were nice, and I felt the effects, but I wanted a bit more, not to mention it makes me feel really good.  So I ate a gram, and had a wonderful day, full of energy, and I think it made me glow.  It seemed to make people want to be around me or something.  Not to mention on a low dose buzz, it's great to dance on.  Let me again state, I have a high threshold for nearly every drug.  I am just that way. Now, I know a lot about what it can do.  It has freed me from opiate addiction twice.  But I haven't gotten any autobiographical recall, or realized the reason I ever started using.  I can infer it was from not having a father around, or whatever on my own.  Iboga has shown me many things, however, it has not laid it out in visions that made sense to me about my past addictions.  I have only scratched the surface with my three flood doses.  One because I was kicking a 7 year habit, half of that spent on methadone.  The last two I was kicking a small habit due to an injury but because I dosed as recommended by people who all had my safety in mind (as well as no idea of my threshold for psychedelics), I didn't really reach any visions.  I got some minor visions of faces or people floating by, but they were very faint, had no color, almost like apparitions.  They did not move or anything, just floated by, like pictures.  I could see through my eyelids at one point, and when I'd turn my head around, it was just like I was looking around with my eyes open, but they were closed.  Now, that was pretty cool, and I'd do it again just for that, not to mention I like the way it makes me think, except for losing my train of thought easily. My first detox I had some vivid visions of war and gluttony, but I am seeking to revisit that visionary place without trying to kick opiates or any drugs, so I can talk to spirits or adjust my psyche, or learn whatever more iboga has for me.  I need a healthy dose, on the high side, so I can get what I want out of it.  Now if it tells me I learned all I can and not to use it much, then I will listen, but that isn't what it has done for me yet.  It has been gentle and given me a sense of what is good for me.  It has helped me regain balance in my life, and in low doses it's a nice buzz, general tonic, and can keep me on my path.  I do think a good reset every once in awhile is good, though.  People change and sometimes it might be good to take a good look at everything and re-evaluate one's life.  I do that often with other psychedelics.  I am a psychedelic explorer, and I have tripped countless times on numerous psychedelics.  I think iboga is one of my favorites.  I will use it as I see fit, and see what it has to show me. I am pretty happy with my life, I have great will power and control over my life now.  It wasn't until I had balance and felt good that I really got the most out of other psychedelics, too.  So, I believe iboga has helped me gain the balance I needed to get the most out of other things, but that doesn't mean I am done with it.  I see all drugs as tools, and learning how to use them properly for each job is the key to getting the most out of them.  For me that means experimentation until I feel I understand the head space as best I can.  Then I will use them as I see fit for my needs.  And if that be for enjoyment of the buzz alone, then that's what I'll do. Thanks for your input.

That whole message wasn't directed at you.  More at the general safety of others.. there is probably good reason why the folks in gabon don't go under over and over   I speak from watching more than just myself go through floods and boosters.  More often than not you see a much bigger difference in people that let themselves go in, aren't medicated heavily with a benzo and aren't in demanding social situations.

PS.. ask Tia about the gram of rootbark that laid her out. Where you taking quite a bit of TA before that gram dose?  I ask because normally subsequent doses are a lot less heady. For most people it's somewhere around the 300mg TA dose (sometimes lower) that they start to get the wobbles, slight ataxia and the inability to multi-task.  You are a trouper if you can boogie on 1 gram of TA!  My max for remaining functional (accountable to others in conversation and general needs) is 1g of rootbark and the highest I've ran across before a person asking to lay down is 3grams of rb (170mg alks aprox.) Not saying I doubt you, it's just not the norm.

Right on, but yeah, 1 gram of the TA wouldn't have been enough to evoke much in me.  I was saying, being clean, 4-5 grams would probably get me there, unless the TA is much stronger than it was about a year ago.  I also wouldn't eat 4 grams at a festival, and know how iboga works for me.  I am wondering, do the folks in Gabon who work with Iboga regularly use it more than once or twice in flood doses?  Do the Nganga's use it more often than other tribe members?  Perhaps one of these times I'll eat enough and won't need to go back.  Hell, that'd be fine with me, but I do enjoy it. Yeah, I can eat 4 grams of bark for a nice buzz, but the ataxia doesn't really get to me that much.  I can take a gram of 50% TA and after about an hour or two I am use to the buzz and can have a wonderful day.  I had taken half a gram of TA a day or two before I ate the gram.  I ate 2 grams of bark two days ago, without having taken any for a month or so probably, and I felt it, but didn't get any trails, or ataxia.  I could feel the buzz, slight head change, but not like 4 grams will do.  From all accounts I have received, this bark is pretty good quality.  I have heard about some even better, but it's about 5 times as much.  I'd rather eat an extra gram than pay way more..  Perhaps on the best bark around 2 grams would give me the buzz that four does of this stuff, I can't say, but still, 300 mgs of TA, or a gram of bark, won't do hardly anything to me.  Hell, you guys find whatever you think is the best you've got, and I'll come hang out with you and take it, and we'll see how much it takes me.  Hell, show me up!!  Kick my ass with some super bark or TA!!  I dare ya, lol!!

yeah yeah.. you just want the goods   Some people just have a higher threshold for it's effects but they are in the minority.  When a good dose of iboga get's into you far enough it demands your attention!  When you are clear you can also handle much higher doses of it. From my limited understanding of how it is used by the Bwiti, the Nganga's do "flood" many times in their lives but for the general members it's typically a once in a life time experience though they eat small doses of rootbark daily sometimes and during new initiations the whole tribe takes a substantial booster dose.  Typically what I do for myself and it works very well is to take 5 to 6 grams of rootbark one day (which will floor me when I need it) and then fallow that by 600mg to 1g of rootbark every morning for a week or so after.. by the end of that period I'm feeling fluid and open.

Yeah, see, I am just not the norm.  But I am also not crazy out of control on iboga.  I normally do like 4 grams of bark for 4-5 days in a row, then I quit.  I don't do it on any regular schedule, but when I feel like it.  I kind of enjoy waking up and going to sleep tripping.  Seeing the little white zig-zagged lines around everything.  Tracers and trails, especially in the evening, and that psychedelic glow.

This is an interesting point: I have read that iboga extracts have a tendency to 'turn into something else'. Material that has been shelved for extended periods, stored improperly or extracted in a careless manner - it seems the iboga alkaloids like to oxidize and they can become inactive, or worse - something altogether 'different'. I can't find the damned resource to point to here, but I know I have heard of this from a few different sources. Everything has a shelf life, and if I am not mistaken, a freebase will hold its integrity longer than a comparable salted form (with the possible exception of purified ibogaine hydrochloride). This information concerns mainly total alkaloid extractions of ibogaine. The ibogoids in the extract: ibogaine, ibogaline, ibogamine, nor-ibogaine, voacangine, tabernanthine - these purportedly oxidize easily and will have different qualities than the original alks. I am not sure how long it is safe to store an extract. Maybe you guys can help me find some info here? Also, a 'professional grade' extract will keep longer than something you whipped up in the kitchen, I am speaking most directly about the tek me and Achtwan wrote : the acetic acid (vinegar) DIY method. This must be used immediately, within a week or two is my guess. The extracts will break down and potency will be lost, affecting dosing measurements and possibly even making someone sick. Further info forthcoming on this important topic. A good example of this type of action is shown with kratom - the main constituent mitragynine is very close in structure to voacangine. I've recently come about information new to me concerning kratom: it seems that 'stale' plant materials and/or improperly prepared extracts of kratom like to oxidize and do so easily. This changes the main alkaloid from mitragynine to mitragynine-pseudoindoxyl which has markedly different pharmacological action(s) An excerpt from a chemistry forum: Mitragynine pseudoindoxyl is not the same as mitragynine. It is the result of an oxidation process very common in the extraction of ibogoids by indelicate chemists. Link: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2118 Wiki on mitragynine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitragynine You can see that the action of the oxidized component differs from that of its counterpart - so that while retaining some basic characteristics (binding to opiate receptors, analgesia) it has qualitative differences which may affect dosing and indeed would be felt by whoever takes the compound. This 'new' alkaloid, oxidized from mitragynine still binds to opiate receptors, but does so in a limited fashion compared to the original alkaloid. M.pseudoindoxyl binds almost exclusively to only the delta receptors, where its cousin (mitragynine) binds to the Mu as well as the Delta sites...from my reading this will affect the 'feel' of the experience - the Mu receptors are responsible for the pleasure sensations associated with an opioid agonist, while the delta receptors still provide analgesia and affect tolerance but will not produce as much euphoria - maybe a recipe for an overdose? If someone is trying to use material to get high and they come across something which has been oxidized - there's no way to tell until you have taken it, unless someone has a GC/MS in their basement and runs everything through it before they try it out. This kind of scenario can result in somebody trying to 'recover' the 'lost' sensation of euphoria and accidentally overdoing it. I think that this kratom phenomenon is a good example, we deal with a lot of plant chemistry here and many of us do these things on our own, with little knowledge of true organic chemistry, it is prudent to know that things like this can happen, especially with plant materials. Always know your sources and if something has been shelved for a while, I'd say over 90 days, take extra care with it. If you're dealing with raw plant stuffs and plan to make your own extracts or tinctures, ask the vendor what the source of the material is, find out as much as you can - the % of alks in the bark for example. Situations like this are probably not super-common, but it is good to know what we're doing in any case. Be informed and make educated choices. Sorry for the long post but GD reminded me of this when I read his post about having taken something which was stored a while. It seems the iboga extracts may have a shorter shelf life than some other things.

Well, that is a good post, but a few points.  I believe the salts are actually more stable than freebases, for iboga alkaloids.  Also, that extract wasn't stored for a long time, but I got it early this year from someone who had purchased it about a month or so earlier.  It was stored in a lightproof baggie, and when I got it, I kept it sealed until I used it.  It wasn't kept for very long.  It had just been months since I got it and used it.  I might have had it around for a month or so.  So at best, it was maybe 3 months old when I used it.  So, while it may have degraded a bit, I don't think it could have degraded that much.  I doubt IW is whipping up batches fresh for each customer, so some bit of storage is probably done.  I have read about indra extract made many years ago, still being around and effective, so I wouldn't be too quick to think it's degraded.  Seriously, I think breaking open my head is just a lot more difficult than the majority of the people who try this medicine..

the belgium indra extract is 29 years old and still flooding

Oh yes, I can attest that you're a psychedelic hard-head  And I know that what Av says about old batches of Indra is correct. It's just that your post reminded me of something I had read regarding certain iboga extracts and their 'propensity' for degradation...for the life of me I can't find the damned source in my bookmarks - but now I've made it a mission to corroborate this info. I know that you know what your doing, and that you store your goods appropriately, but looking over your post jarred my memory and made me think of this stuff. Now come to think of it, I think that I gleaned this information in a response to my posting Achtwan's vinegar tek on another forum, last year. It seems that 'homemade' extracts are the ones with questionable shelf lives. In particular the acetic acid one. I'll find what I'm looking for (probably by the time this thread dies lol) and post it here as soon as I do. Maybe it was something on Mindvox - it could have been something Chris Jenks said - though I am not certain yet...it was just a 'heads-up' on kitchen type extractions and to use them in a timely manner because they can go bad quick. Apparently and especially the iboga alkaloids like to do similar to what mitragynine does and become 'something else'. Probably like nnDMT turning into DMT n-oxide? I hate to post theory without sourcing something but I know this is something I have come across and wanted to put this out there, if for no other reason, than to alert potential DIY'ers to use their product within a reasonable amount of time after they pull it. The more I think about this the more it seems this was suggested to me in response to that acetic acid tek - not to extract the rootbark until I was prepared to use it, and that it would break down rather quickly so it was best to keep it in 'plant form' and not store the homemade TA for extended periods. I'll digress here and stop the off topic discussion, whenever I locate what I seem to have lost I'll put it in another thread, this would be a good discussion to have anyways. Thanks for the responses guys, and if y'all have any info regarding this I'd like to be enlightened!

What you are talking about, perhaps, is where Jenks said that alkaloids break down quickly in solution.  I mentioned it in another thread on this forum, and I believe Nobu gave the list of which order they broke down in, fastest to slowest.  I can't find it right now, but I imagine that's what you're referring to.  The alkaloids oxidized quickly in certain solutions.  I believe naphtha and acetone were pretty quick..  I can't remember the precise order, perhaps Nobu remembers? Here is a link that contains a post by Nobu that explains how his extracts worked and how they broke down: http://iboga.tribe.net/thread/57c1d82c-c6f6-42e3-8a2c-e8ebc07e4da6 Excerpt: Here is Nobu's post on this forum about the  instability in solvents and the order in which they break down slowest to fastest..  https://ibogaine.club/community/total-alkaloid-extract-of-t-iboga-now-w-pics

I am having a flood dose on Saturday and have purchased 4gms of IW TA. I am 90kg and 6ft. Is 4 grams too much or just right for my weight? quietvalley51

An addiction interruption flood dose is usually 15-24mg/kg. Say 20. Okay, so you are shooting for 20mg/kg give or take depending on many factors. Multiply your weight in kg by 20. That's 1800mg, right? Or 1.8g. If the TA (PTA) you have is 65% active alkaloids, that's about 650mg per g. How many g will you need to hit 1800mg active alkaloids? Just under three, by my calculations. Sara at IW has been doing this a long time. You can talk to her/Michelle about dosing. Do your research, know your medicine, be prepared. My opinion is merely that, an opinion. Love.

Hi! Im new at this forum, and im not very good at English but i guess you can understand me anyway. After i have read the posts i feel i have to share some of my own experience with Ibogaine TA. I just have to agree with GreatfulDad, the dosage some of you guys are talking about would not get me anywhere. This summer i went to a private treatment-center and was given 4grams of TA, that came from a well known source.  After a while i felt how it started to kick in, but after aprox one or two hours i was still pretty much aware what was going on and i did not reach the levels i had expected, i experienced some small visions and strange thoughts in my mind but the visions was like watching a movie with halv of the pixels gone. I thought about this for a while and when i didn't got any further i wanted some more, i really wanted to work with my addiction since i had traveled so far to do this so i asked the guy for a bigger dose and he gave me additionally 1 grams with a total of 5grams.  O yeah!  The iboga took me away on an journey and now i had some stronger visions during the "session". The visions are maybe not so important but i felt it just wasn't enough with the first dosage, and these pictures and inner conversations i had later on just confirmed it, it felt right. I don't know why but i guess my body needed that much, he told me 5grams was a strong dosage so i doubt that 4grams is way to much for most of the iboga users. I also have to mention that i was of the methadone for 6months before i did this. My body weight is 75Kg.  And yes, i can use higher amounts of drugs compared to many of my friends but not all of them, Ayahuasca is the same for me when i compare the dosage to others, i need a bit more, but still, im a human after all, so 4grams, come on! The following night i slept around 16hours straight on, but with absolutely no sleep the night before during the flight i really needed that, and of course the iboga forced me to relax. Two days after i was in a somewhat good condition so i went down to the market to get some fresh air and eat because i was so hungry, the following night i used additionally 3grams of the rootbark instead of TA and it was a success.  After 3 days my body was in the same condition as when i arrived and i took the flight back home with a great experience together with the iboga spirit. Please!  Dont tell me the Ta was a bad quality batch.    4grams is probably a lot for some people and i don't want to recommend higher than that if you dont know your body, but i still cant agree with the low dosage you are talking about.  A full flood is the way to go, thats my opinion and next week im doing a second journey with 4grams of TA witch i got a couple a weeks ago, i also have 1gram of the HCL so maybe im going to take just a small amount of that as well.  And you guys who hasn't done this yet, be careful!  start small and biuld it up as many other says. Wish you all a wery pleasant new year's eve and a lot of laughter and happiness inside!  Iboga and zazen is the way to go / selene_wonders

Hi Airman, Welcome to the forum.  That was a nice story that you posted, alls well that ends well.  When they give you more Ibo when you ask for it that tells ya it's a good clinic.  I am glad you got what you wanted and hope it works forever.  cinderpath

Welcome selene_wonders, thanks for sharing. Yes indeed we are all different in our needs. I think the lower level dosages you are referring to (here) are more common than than doses folks like you, GD and others use - simply because most of the people I know of personally just don't require those bigger amounts. When it comes down to it, the mg/kg dosing for a full on flood usually hangs between 18-25mg/kg. I think that's 'normal'...plus, dealing with extracts can be tricky - each batch being different. I do not think you got a 'bad batch' at all, I think you knew what you were doing, knew what you wanted/needed, and went for it. I say congratulations on a successful journey! People like to err on the side of caution with this material, more so than other stuff - because of the limited empirical data available and the confusion about the mortality rate (ostensibly) associated with iboga/ibogaine...interesting to me is that none of the deaths I have read or heard about - where iboga or ibogaine was considered as a potential contributing factor - came from overdoses. This is no small matter. It seems to suggest other factors rather than dose alone are what can make this dangerous for some people. On the whole I think it is safe material, and I agree with people being extra cautious with it. Welcome to the board and thanks for being here!

This, is exactly why i stated, I am not the norm.  Throughout this forum people can read in nearly every post about the amount it takes for me.  I am going to write a disclaimer in my signature..  I don't know what else I can do?  Should I lie to everyone and say I am only taking 1/3-1/2 of what I really am?  I think people need to start taking responsibility for themselves.  There is nowhere that I suggested that he start dosing like me.  I am reporting my experiences with iboga on the forum, and if anyone can glean any useful stuff from it, then fine.  But I am not treating patients, and I am not detoxing anyone, or providing a shamanic retreat.  If someone asks me a specific question on what do I think they should take or do, I always take into consideration who they are.  I wouldn't recommend anyone do the doses I do, unless they are comfortable with it.  That usually comes from having some experience.  I recommend the current standards for anyone asking me: Detox 15-25 mg/kg is for a detox, and 10-15 mg/kg for women or sensitive folks.  Then microdoses, you can just eat some bark until you get where you want. And anyways, I am normal, it's all you who are hypersensitive.  I think it's all just some conspiracy, really.  Everyone says it gets em all out of whack and whatever, but I ate 4 grams this morning and I am feeling pretty darn comfortable.  Hell my son took 6 grams of bark, before it really gave him a good buzz.  By all means, FIND YOUR OWN DOSE!!  I just get angry sometimes when you have people telling you it'll take this much, then you try it, and it isn't enough.  So you go back and try to buy more, once you've saved enough again, and probably gotten back on your drug of choice.  It really takes that heavy, shaken up, trip to snap people out of their poisoned mind sets.  That is why it takes numerous people more than one treatment.  If you want to cure someone of addiction, your best bet is to crack that head wide open and get rid of all the gunk.  That is what iboga does in a proper dose.  What that dose is for each person may be different, but if one starts low and works up, the way the Bwiti do it, or with wood, then it becomes easy to tell when you've reached the full on visionary state.  I understand that you want to minimize complications, but I haven't seen overdose deaths on ibogaine, and it's usually from complications aside from the ibogaine.  DISCLAIMER:  PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING IN MY POSTS AT HOME BY YOURSELF OR WITHOUT FULL MEDICAL SUPERVISION AND ADEQUATE PREPARATIONS.  IBOGA HAS BEEN IMPLICATED IN DEATHS.  AND PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT THE DOSAGES THAT I DO, BECAUSE I AM OBVIOUSLY CERTIFIABLY INSANE AND INSENSITIVE TO NEARLY ANY DRUG KNOWN TO MAN.

ROTFLMAO, GD.... ....great post! Gotta love that disclaimer, lol.

Fair post, GD...but: ...heh. You may be alot things my friend, but normal ain't one of them, hell - this is by your own admission. I think most 'Westerners', especially those with addictions - are much more sensitive than you are. Even more sensitive than I am. However I acknowledge your advocating the 'proper' flood doses - the vast majority of people will achieve the desired results within that spectrum. Again, ibogaine overdoses are rare, at least in doses which have caused any real harm to people. It is always better to err on the side of caution I think. Knowing the material and the source is imperative and every bit as important as the dose itself.

i was being sacastic..  I do agree, though.  I just don't wanna have to say that every single time I start to tell a story..