First flood somewhat a bomb. Need suggestions PLEASE ADVISE
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First things first: I hope you read the disclaimer https://ibogaine.club/community/disclaimer-please-read and understand that we invite all kinds of discussion here, but "we" as a site, bear no responsibility for anything anyone does or does not do as the result of reading/posting here...ad infinitum You do ask reasonable questions, but the whole feel of your post is very rushed. I understand being sick of living that way, but rushing the job is the number one offense for relapse and probably the number one offense for every kind of trouble you can get in with this. I cannot tell you how to illegally obtain a controlled substance in the US, surely someone, somewhere, has figured something out. 32mg of subs is ALOT. Even with a 2 week roll over, which IMO is very minimal - there will be hard times. PAWS seems to afflict Suboxone users worse than anything, and so far ibogaine has proved to be very hard to work with concerning this. I think it certainly can be safely done - detoxing with ibo from LOW DOSE buprenorphine - there is zilch in the way of empirical research (as far as I know) that backs this up. In fact, much of the anecdotal evidence and scraps of experiences from others show a grim side to a 'bupe detox: the relapse rate seems significantly higher, and less time clean before a relapse too. Health concerns abound, usually buprenorphine requires a stronger flooding dose and clinics often break it into a period of days and have staff close to hand along with constant monitoring. Sub is the worst drug to try a DIY iboga detox with, point blank. Sorry if this pees on anybody, truly I am, but we cannot ignore what we are seeing. The best, safest and therefore obvious choice is to wean as low as possible (2mg - ) of buprenorphine and roll over to a short acting drug with a quick half life and preferably something boring, like morphine. That way you aren't 'sick' but there is also - to many people - little or no real euphoria or mood enhancement with morphine. I always thought it was boring, so if one can, one gets used to the absence of mood - elevating via exogenous dopamines, and there is one more head start in the battle for freedom... I want you to feel welcomed here, and you are - please take care with all of this, it is in deadly earnest a most serious endeavor. Don't be a statistic. The more time online you can spend the better you will see how the apparatus of cyber-communication works re: discussion forums, blogs, groups, etc, one can find help, or one can literally dig one's own grave. Be discerning and cautious and above all patient ?(I can't believe I'm the one telling someone to be patient) Seek and ye shall find ~ Cal
Your answers as clear as possible. They aren't easy answers. But the best advice rarely is. Cut down to 2 mgs and then do the roll over regime suggested. Coming off 32 grams of suboxone cold turkey! 5.5 grams TA! A relatively minimal amount of knowledge about going about it. Little researching on the boards. A hurried feel. He could quite easily have died coming off 32 g subox cold turkey, with a high 5.5 grams TA dose (and i doubt it would have been that high - extraction regimes are poorer yield usually). sure, the post might seem rushed with a kid in the backseat. But this is an important life changing step. that you appear to have hurried into. What was the time gap between deciding to do Ibogaine and doing it? Most people here have researched for years or months. And I'm not sure I get the alcohol/caffeine doesnt touch me, so recommend a high dose for me viewpoint. AND again, this is a life changing step. You almost seem to be doing it with a rushed, looking to fail vibe. Instead of a calm collected looking to succeed mindset. It like a chronic drinker rushing in for a week long detox without much planning, plan B's, working around it, having alternate activities in place, and working a reasonable crossover titration regime like Cal's morphine regime. There are a lot of posts here on subox withdrawals, and strategies too. My suggestion is: Take it slow. This is an 8 year demon, and shouldnt be exorcised in a hurry. Take your time, even if it means a week, two or a few more. Do your research, and look for a good tapering and cross-titrating regime. Reasonable and safe are the buzzwords, and not quick and dirty/easy. Keep coming back to this thread and asking for feedback on whatever you want to do. Its a beautiful helpful loving caring Family, and people will do as much as they can to help. Help your husband out first, and once thats done - you can work on a safe starting flood for yourself. We can help with how to get to that too. I wish you both best wishes, in conquering your demons, from the bottom of my heart. And once you have the Iboga in you, it would be great having you here as part of the family and maybe even helping others like your husband. Haha, but slower, and safer. There is much magic in the medicine, and doing it slowly, with respect, and careful research will pay you exponential dividends. Much metta. vividmeadow80
Thanks for the reply and I def see how my post had a rushed feel. As i was typing, my son was in the back seat of the car trying to get me to hurry up and take him somewhere. Also I am anxious for relief. But it is wise what you are saying and I am heeding your advice of taking my time And not being another statistic. However, going to a facility isn't an option for us financially at all so it's either read up and self treat or don't treat at all. He has been of subs for 2 weeks and we are going for 4 more to make it 6 weeks no subs and SAO instead. I know we have a long road ahead of us but we are willing to walk it or crawl it! Has anyone on here had success getting clean from suboxone with ibogaine. If so please share. I am really thankful for this site and YES I read the disclaimer. I appreciate all of your knowledge, experience, and willingness to share.
Hi! Yes, there are a couple of folks here who have successfully quit the subs but it isn't easy. I was on Methadone and was able to switch to SAO for a month and it still wasn't easy, but I did it. I researched for months before my first flood. Subs seem to be the hardest... I think this is the thread I was looking for... https://ibogaine.club/community/good-day-to-all-fellow-freakazoid-beings roxine
Thank you for your response. My husband heard about ibogaine 2 years ago and has been reading and researching. He got a compiled download of " all things ibogaine" . He goes " on off" suboxone for periods of times often while he does other drugs. He also tapers down time and again. I get the rushed thing .... We are taking it slow.... We planned the iboga for a year. Actually 1 1/2 ago we tried setting something up in Canada with provider. After we bought our own we had it for 2 months before we did anything with it. I can totally see now that there was a lack of research. Not that we didn't. But that more is always better. I have more iboga right now. I am not hurried. We have every intention of trying to do all we can to do this right. It's been YEARS of hell with life drugs career changes criminal trouble drugs drugs drugs changed friends changed churches and 4 small and wonderful young children. We are just trying to hold our life together. Please be compassionate and even painfully truthful. We just want all the advice we can get. I a trying to inhale and chew and digest all the information I can get my hands on. He has been off for 2 weeks and is on SAO. You think he should go back to subs and taper down first instead of staying on SAO for another 4 weeks? Anyone else have an opinion on that? I have no intention of doing anything myself with ibogaine until my husband is better. I am thinking ahead and threw that out there As to gather as much info before band as possible. I get that I am a silly inexperienced newbie and I accept that humbly so that I can glean from you and help my husband. 5 g TA seemed very reasonable according to our research. Even on the lower end. Does anyone have any input on that?
Compassion and truth are what we strive to hold as values here - and you should find a lack of neither, again I thank you for your participation and sharing with us. zingdoozer is on point about the TA concerns he mentioned - 'homemade' TA's are (by weight) seldom, if ever, as potent as commercial ones. This is another point for your research: that if one makes one's own extract, ALWAYS go by the original weight of the Wood to calculate dosing NO MATTER WHAT you end up with in the way of weighed extract, because it will vary every time....most root bark is 5% alkaloids so do your math based on this. Plenty of threads and folks here can help you with this. Inexperienced, sure...newbie, of course....SILLY? No way. Remember what Mr.Garrison said: "there are no stupid questions, just stupid people" and we don't let them play with us here. So don't be hard on yourself for not knowing something, no one knows until they learn, and you seem very willing. We would love for you to continue to share your journey with us. Very sincerely yours, Cal