Ibogaine hcl and TA regimine

IMHO, the amount your allotting for boosters won't have any noticeable effects of prolonging Nori-build which is the goal.  Maybe it will give you a boost for the morning, take some pain away, make you more aware......Now a 2-3 week protocol is 10 times more powerful for accumulation purposes given logical thinking.  Boosting also reportedly prolongs recovery time, as well as Nori-glow (something to keep in mind based on your own life).  I didn't need to work while MDing, so I didn't care how I felt, as long as the Nori stayed strong.  I'm done MDing and on to Noopept.  If it were me doing this: Hour 1: I would do 100 mgs HCL Hour 2: 450 mg HCL Hour 3: 450 mg HCL Hour 4: 500mg of TA or the whole gram if you feel up for it.  Hour 5: 500mg of TA you have anything left. HCL is done for opiates because it presents the highest level of efficacy reported.  TA is broad spectrum alks, possibly only 15% Ibogaine.  Why not focus your flood on what attacks the issues, versus what is more unknown.  I think the TA has lots to compliment the HCL.  So if you can handle it, then keep asking to be fed TA!  Break open that head!  Now I suggest stair casing every hour because doctors who practice this treatment will tell you they want to see the drug slowly build in your system, then stay at that heightened level for a few hours (plateau), then slowly decrease.  I like to think of this as an assisted version to allowing the Noribogaine to set properly (once again, my vision, not any way shape or form a fact).  To sum it up, I operate under the theory that stair casing every hour as stated minimizes risk and increases efficacy......like getting two birds stoned  Get some RB if you can to MD.  Otherwise, you can do so much more to speed up recovery.  10 years!  Damn Morningglory!  After a decade, are you ready?  The time is now!  I am not discounting anyone who suggests taking the flood dose all at once, or all within an hour for example.  I believe that should be reserved for healthier folks, not people coming off of drugs.  I just sat someone healthy with HCL, about 500-600mgs to start and the same once more 45 minutes later.  I would not have been so comfortable if the person had not been a healthy to begin with....  As for MDing or boosters: I would only do RB for 3 weeks starting on Day 4 at the earliest post flood.  You'll find a schedule that best suits you, I started with a booster in the AM, then one around 2.  Did about 4 days of this, then a day off.  Then just boost in the morning.  Then a few days off.  Then skip days you boost if you can.  Anymore boosting then that and you may be playing with toxicity issues.  I am going to go out on a limb here and say Noopept may be better than boosters in terms of functioning again for a full productive day.  I am blown away by this stuff.....only on Day 2 though so I can't say for sure.  If you must do boosters, I would get some RB or put aside 300 mgs of your HCL to boost with and maybe 200 mgs of your TA.

Hi ravenwing!  After a month off the opiates, you have a huge head start!  I think this could really help knock out the PAWS.  You will probably get some Ibo fatigue which is very common, but after a week or less, I am sure you will get some energy back.  I believe you could notice the benefits right away.  I agree with Blue Tiger about stair-casing the dose, if you take it all at once or too soon together, your sitter could be trying to find some of your dose in your purge.  I think it is better to let some get settled in your system.  I too have seen someone take it all at once and the purge happening too quickly, luckily there was more on hand.  I hope you have more questions for us and that you put a lot of good intention behind this flood.  I think if you are really ready to quit for good (and a month under your belt seems to me like you are)  this could work very well for you.  When were you planning on taking this journey?  roxine

Yeah, don't take it all at once - you need to gauge your sensitivity first for one thing, you may not even need to take everything you have planned on. I know people who are hyper-sensitive to ibogaine but can drink a gallon of ayahuasca (not really) - but with any new material we should not let zeal or anything else get on top of pragmatism and safety.  You seem like you are primed for this - having such a head start on being opiate free will go a looong way for you - and could well be another reason you'd need less material. It will not be 'fighting' through heavily toxified system. You want to get your medicine in you within about four hours, six tops, for maximum efficacy where the flood is concerned. I think I would do a test dose of 3-5 mg/kg which will end up being a couple hundred mgs (unless you're a Nephilim lol...that'd be an expensive flood eh?) Take it easy and make sure you got a sitter.  Keep us up on how you're doing and best of luck!

I really appreciate the replies.  I have been a life long student of plant teachers and entheogens and have tripped well beyond 'a lifetime worth of journeys.'  As much as I would love a 'guide' I don't know anyone who has taken iboga or ibogaine and nobody I know has anywhere the experience with entheogens that I have.  I will have two 'babysitters' who are close friends from childhood.  From all research, I will probably ask them to leave as soon as I am sure I will not die from the ibogaine. This is not to say I am 'ready' for the ibogaine trip.  I definitely am not of the mind that I can 'handle' it because it is a big fat unknown.  Probably better that iboga chews me up and spit me out.  I kind of need a trip like that. Trips on other entheogens are unlikely make me any more 'ready' for iboga than had I been a psychedelic virgin.  I agree that it is a good thing I was able to go through the withdrawal on my own.  In the past ten years I have quit opiates and endured withdrawal a good 4 or 5 times.  I have no problem quitting, I am an old hand, and don't need iboga to make that any easier.  It is staying off them long term that I am hoping for a hand with. Moreover, the past month of being opiate free has allowed me to see how my other psychoactive substance addictions play such a heavy role in my life.  I have been on prescription amphetamine since I was a kid, I have a prescription for ativan that I will lose sleep over if I am out, and I smoke a lot of pot. Until recently, I never considered these 'drugs' or a part of my poly drug addiction.  Now I see completely how the opiates took the edge off the speed, and the benzo for sleep, and pot throughout the day as needed, and how this all cycles together into drug seeking behaviors. What I am seeking from iboga is a level playing field so that I can have the best chance of living a life where I am true to myself, master of my own domain (moderation), and so I can avoid the roads that lead back to daily opiate usage.  That is something I have always lacked.  I am open to being 'drug free' but I am not seeking this.  What I am seeking is to reset my brain so my unique neurotransmitter model can resemble that of someone who has not used speed, downers, opiates, and pot on a daily basis for the better part of 10 years.  Then "I" can make my decisions instead of the 'demon' that is my drug addiction dictating to me what to do under threat of no sleep, no sanity, no ability to move beyond getting out of bed and into the shower.  This is really the only thing I am hoping iboga will do for me.  Anything else, I leave open to the gods. I am stuck between the 'stair step' model and flooding all at once.  But the above words regarding the ibogaine hcl being my (to paraphrase) target compound was helpful.  I think something like 300mg TA, at 1hr 500mg ibogaine hcl, 500mg more at 1.5hr, and the rest of the TA at 3hr.  This will 'spread out' the shock to the body, while (I believe) still flooding my brain for maximum visionary and healing experience. I have no recovery time to worry about, no work obligations for the next month, all of this time is for this therapy.

I think your head is in the right place.  I would not however have your friends leave after you feel safe, Ataxia can be very strong for some and one of the bigger dangers would be that you could fall if you tried to get up, and you will probably need to at some point.  I had to piss like a drunk during my detox and really needed the help to get up, and my ataxia seems to be less than some... also if you purge, it may not be until later in the flood, you want someone there for the duration.   Also, are you off the amphetamines???  You do not want to combine them and you want to be off of them for awhile, several days at the very least.  Though having experience with other enthogens is helpful, Iboga is very different from other entheogens. roxine

I won't have any bark to work with.  I will have one gram of the hcl and one gram of TA reputed to be potent, I am told 25%-35% ibogaine content. I was thinking a test dose of 200mg 50/50 mixture of ibogaine hcl and TA.  Then maybe 600mg of the 50/50mix every 45 min till maximum is reached.  If the TA is as potent as some say, that test dose should well be active allowing me to gauge.  No?

After the test dose do it all at once, if you have a sitter. I don't agree with those who are advising in taking it in many portions... you totally loose the momentum and ego death... it's a waste... roxine_writes

Are you then saying the Bwiti are incorrect?  In between the exactitudes are rainbows and much grey matter.  But I see your point.  Don't mean to be a spike to your viewpoints Jox, just chiming in with an IMO.  I truly appreciate you and all you are and I hope my viewpoints are nothing personal.

On a totally related note I realize the in between Black and White: Grey Matter theory hits the spot... ? I would say that's too far to space out.  IMO spacing out every 15 minutes is more optimal.  Want to have it all sink in before purging occurs.  Some purge after 1hr of first dose, most don't but just keep in mind with Iboga floods it's really hard to gauge the many nuances.

@ BlueTiger, actually we resemble each other, when I speak as you just did coldspring call it unfiltered comments, it was cracking me up, and ever since I tried to be more... but I know what you mean, ego death was not the main point of my comment at all, it is not ego death as in DMT, or mushrooms, I wrote a lot about this in my posts. I practice Zen, and had been in psychoanalysis for years, do yoga and S/M as complements to the plants teachings, I am not looking for brake through on plants, whatever that may mean. @ coldspring I think we should have a clear terminology, especially for the new comers. If we use "full flood" it should mean something, if we use "microdosing" it should mean something. If not we will have people taking a table spoon of root bark and calling it full flood on root. No doubt there are many ways of doing treatments, boosters, follow ups, what not... but we should have a clear terminology and stick to it. roxine_writes

I don't feel any way of using rationale to get my point across is helpful to you or myself or anyone.  You certainly misconstrued or misunderstood my perspectives, I could go on a tirade... But I just purged my guts out for an hour straight to be more pure.  Purepurepurepurepure as the crystal springs emenating the first presence of life on earth.  Drink it up and leave all the rest for the animals which choose over and over again not to be Hue Mans.  Pick your poison and do so ever so wisely and with absolute reverence for we are composed of the stars and all the elements of heaven breathe.  Whether you or anyone else recognizes this or not has nothing to do with "me".

This thread got spread out alot - the shortest answer is: everyone is different. Yes we all know this. After reading over this a few times and seeing how much material Morninglory has to hand, I have a strong feeling he(?) would be disappointed if this didn't kick his ass, so take a test -  then either take the rest, or use a short stagger is my vote. If you have that kind of experience with other strong plant medicine - even though iboga is unique - there's nothing in the amount you have to put you off...{IMO} The only issue would be GI sensitivity and like lala said fishing around the puke bucket for expensive medicine (to re-eat  ) Something tells me you are not averse to purging. I have seen and helped many times and for many reasons - drug detoxes are the worst and they can take as long as six hours to make sure the person has the dose in - often this is because they get sketchy when it starts to really bust on them and do not want to take the rest. Something tells me this would be unlikely for you, even if you are sensitive. One gram of the purest HCL will lay me down but not flood me or even near,  mixing a gram of top notch TA with 1g Hcl may well blow your head off - and yet I have personally fed a (small) fellow a good deal more than that. His position required it and his health/capacity allowed it. The way to go IMO is to use it like you plan to - test with some and do the rest as quickly as comfortable - but man keep people in the house with you in case it nails you proper. Because if you are lucky, you will need their help - that would mean you are beyond physical automation and this is a bulls-eye. What I consider 'true' ego death has never happened to me on iboga or ibogaine - nowhere near the levels of ayahuasca or cactus, not even close. Ibogaine is dissociative in quality, and oneirogenic (dream inducing) - yet even during very deep parts I have always perceived 'some' quality of lucidity that can't exist if the ego is dead. I understand others to have had ego death experiences with it, but it's nature to me is just...different. It seems almost the inverse of ego death - it is somehow all about YOU yet from an "ego" less position. Thus the many testimonials concerning autobiographic recall - that would be a hell of a paradox if you somehow managed it during ego death. No matter what, as you can tell from this thread, the variables with this particular material are ridiculous and the margins swing wide for many people. I am inclined to think you will fall in love... Best wishes, keep safe!