Iboga for Kratom use and Depression/Anxiety

Greetings, There is no guarantee you will even notice such a small micro dose.  I'm on the ultra sensitive spectrum and I have to take 500mg (or use to as I converted to extractions for my micro dosing).  So likely you'll need at least 750mg to feel it. You'll need a flood to get what your asking for, but in order to get what you work for you'll have to put in a lot of research.  The more preparation the better the results. Micro dosing experiences and benefits are available on this forum.  Search function should pan out results. At least in my current view Iboga is a long study steady process of unfolding rigorously in a spiritual path.  To face oneself rather than to avoid, it's not easy when Iboga reveals all your shortcomings but line a locomotive it gives you the strength to come clean with your life.

I am ready to see my faults laid out in front of me, I just hope that iboga can help me to actually fix them! I am very sensitive to most chemicals, including psychedelics, and I have a little experience with microdosing psilocybin mushrooms (.2 of cubensis was always enough to give me spiritual insight and feelings of self love) So I think, like many others on this forum, I won't be needing as much root bark as you do to get effects, also because I am a mere 125 lbs. Of course I cannot know for sure. Of course the ultimate goal is to flood, but I want to get to know the plant teacher a little bit (and hopefully start making progress) I am a bit concerned that 5grams divided into microdoses won't be enough for a full regimen, any opinions?

500mg is on the low end for minimum micro dose to really feel it.  Depending on quality if RB of course.  Just to say I haven't met many that could tap in on 500 mg and most need more.  So if you are sensitive than 500mg broken into 10 dosages would potentially be the protocol for effectiveness based on 5gr RB.

Welcome teddi! I have microdosed a number of times and in a number of ways. I don't weigh much more than you (140lbs) and find a gram a day is barely noticeable although the effects do accumulate. So, until you take some, you don't know a) how sensitive you are and b) how potent your RB is. If you happen to be ultrasensitive and get some potent RB, you might get a lot out of the experience even with just 10 doses. If you're like me and you get some weak RB, not so much....! Like Kampum said, you'll need a flood to get the results you're looking for but even though microdosing won't be enough for your kratom addiction, it could be a nice introduction to the plant. I usually microdose for 3 - 4 weeks and have started "ramping up " towards the end, increasing the dose to 1g twice a day and end with a 10g booster. My last MD experience was amazing and I got many useful insights which have stayed with me. A lot of people underestimate the power of microdosing but I find that even after I've stopped, the teachings continue in a subtle way for a while. A few months back, someone who is very sensitive to Iboga posted her microdosing experience and it was very interesting. Reading other people's experiences will give you a better idea of what may and may not happen. The thing about Iboga is no one knows what it has in store for you or what your experience will be like. Good luck to you!

Would I get a lot more out of my microdosing if I used caapi along with the necessary diet? I saw discussion of this combination on another forum. Obviously I will research it more before diving into a combo like that, just wanted to see if anyone's had bigger impact from the combination. I also noticed on the microdosing section someone mentions piperidine, which I believe can be consumed in the form of black pepper, as a way to get the most out of RB.

Well, there's Ultra-Sensitive and then there's me. I start my microdose cycles with 300mg for a few days, then I have to cut back to 100mg per day. I'm particularly sensitive to the SSRI components of iboga, it'll probably preclude my ever doing a flood. I used microdosing for a kratom/poppy addiction and I did some "dirty maintenance" with both substances when I first microdosed. The iboga will potentiate the kratom so you should cut the kratom back drastically if you use it concurrently with iboga. I cut it in half to start with and tapered off completely over 2 weeks. If you don't cut back it could possibly make the kratom addiction worse. It worked wonders for me, I am 4 months clean from kratom, opiates and anti-depressants now. The key for me was small microdoses in conjunction with an intensive meditation/self-therapy practice. I had a few major therapeutic breakthroughs about 3 weeks into the process, nailing down childhood incidents that were at the root of my addictions. The key is how we deal with fear.....it can stand for Fuck Everything And Run or Face Everything and Recover. Your choice.

Thanks for the replies. amberlynx, I read a coule of your threads and it sounds like you got what I am looking for out of microdosing. I don't plan on concurrent use of the two substances unless perhaps I have an anxiety attack. I have a friend who showed me this forum who used microdosing (about 300mg/day) to quit kratom as well, so it seems like it is very possible.

I am humbled by the vast knowledge and compassion I have seen in my short time in this community.My introduction to iboga will be initiated in about a weeks time. I am currently taking reishi mushroom every day as a supplement, among other herbs that I cycle. Is it okay to have these adaptogens in my system during ther microdose, or would it be best to concentrate only on the microdose without any other substance? I should note that reishi inhibits the CYP3A4 enzyme, I am not sure if this matters. I will begin tapering kratom tonight in preparation for the microdosing. I also plan to begin meditating on a daily basis to prepare my mind for the iboga.

I take reishi regularly and have MD'd while on it without a problem. I actually wasn't aware that it's a CYP3A4 inhibitor. If you're concerned that it might lessen the efficacy of the Iboga then just stop taking it until after you're done microdosing but I don't see a problem if you continue to take it (based solely on my expereince with it)

I just want to say what a great community this is...Seek refuge I think you have gotten some really good responses. micro dosing can work well for you. It did for me. all I can add is what Jack Tripper ( R.I.P.) a loved member of the community had in his signature .. the root does not work for you, you work for the root. set your sights, and I think you'll find micro dosing a great help. Some are more sensitive than others but you'll find your own pace with it. do a test amount. maybe 350-500 mg, and go with how you feel. just remember it's cumulative. I did about a gram the first and second day and than cut it in half from there forward. stay close, ask questions, eat fresh food, ect.....

Thanks for the support, guys. I'll start a journal thread in a few days, and I'll be checking in regularly. I might adopt a vegetarian diet during the microdose if I can handle it. I'm pretty skinny and my metabolism is insane, but hopefully I can control what I eat without losing more weight. In regard to the cumulative effect, does it only build if taken daily, or can I accumulate the effect by using it a few times a week? I'll probably need it everyday to refrain from kratom.

I took it steady for three days than skipped days. you'll be able to tell as you go! I was starting to get a lot of tracers and such after 3 days, and I wanted to be able to fully function!

Welcome teddi! Glad to see all the fine people here sharing some wisdom.  Sounds like you have everything ready for your experiment.  I also was badly addicted to Kratom and opiates.  12/24/2013 will be my one year clean of all opiates and Kratom.  I also gave up cigarettes last January, but am still battling the nicotine patch (goal is by the end of the year....).  I hope you gain everything that you are looking for and more from Father Iboga.  However, it shall soon be evident what Jack Tripper's signature line (that KBud mentions) is more than true.  Iboga can show you what you need, but the hardest work is everything that comes after.  This is the true art form.  Maybe sometime, pop over to the "Staying Clean" if you want at some point. Keep asking questions and connecting.  Maybe encourage your brother to join you in your Iboga community.  I know personally having people here on the forum, as well as in the flesh makes a big difference in feeling like you are supported.  Blue

Thankl you for your input, BlueTiger. Do you mind me asking how much kratom you were using when you chose to do iboga? I assume you flooded, just kinda curious because theres not much info about using iboga for kratom addiction. The idea of "dirty maintenance" to ensure that I don't w/d is appealing, but of course I don't know how it will turn ouit and it sounds like a risky mix, especially because I am sensitive to seratonin-based substances. Many may disagree, but in my experience kratom seems to affect seratonin and therefore could make for a risky combo.

Thank you earnestdeer. I will pm you. I began the regiment today, 300mg, so far so good. I am stricken with very intense nostalgia from my childhood, I can already see the potential.  The orange juice I drink every morning tastes like pure sugar, no more of that.

The withdrawls have come in quite a bit now, my legs are incredibly achey, anxiety is high. I have no idea what to do because I have obligations tomorrow. The only thing I can think of is to cease MD and take maybe a gram or 2 of kratom leaf tomorrow, but apparently due to the seratonin effects I might be out of options.

If your anxiety is high, I would try a small amount of leaf. I can't see a bit of it increasing your anxiety and it will help with the other w/d symptoms. I think you need to clear your schedule a bit so your not under the gun, and than try the MD again. I'm not sure why U would worry about the serotonin? Hopefully your not on any A/Ds, or anything like that?

Thanks for the timely reply, kbud. I'm going to go ahead and take 1.5g of kratom, hopefully I will be ok... (I'm an anxious mess, and reading about the danger of combining kratom and MD on the forum for 4 hours did not really help!) I believe the danger of the combo lies in it being an indole with seratonin activity as well as adrenergenic activity.